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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 1, 2012 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2012 at 7:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Define your variables. Specifically C.
(by the by, it isn't like I wouldn't be interested in there being "objective morality".... then I could just tell people they were in the wrong without any further explanation..lol)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm
But C can still be true if BOTH A and B are false. No?
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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 1, 2012 at 7:38 pm
(March 1, 2012 at 7:33 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: But C can still be true if BOTH A and B are false. No?
A implies B is the premise C.
So if we go alone by that, A and B can be both false, and C can be true. Which is what he is arguing. That even if I prove that A ->B, I haven't proven B without proving A.
So the argument is saying, the premise A -> B would not be true without A being true. I explained why.
If that is true, and we say C is true, then it contradicts what he said, that proving A -> B doesn't prove B because I haven't proven A. Now I have proven A, because I say
Not A -> Not C. (= C-> A.)
And if A is true, then B is true.
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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 1, 2012 at 7:39 pm
But is C true....lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 1, 2012 at 7:46 pm
(March 1, 2012 at 7:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: But is C true....lol.
It sure is. 
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RE: Morality, Justice, Greatness - do these things prove God?
March 5, 2012 at 1:20 am
...No.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife
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