Psalm 137:9

[Mister Agenda]

You clearly said a person IS their body...

Which makes a fetus a person by your own definition.

A tumor doesn't have a brain, isn't that what you believe makes one an individual? So stop with the false equivalencies

An embryo doesn't have a brain until about week five, and it doesn't have more brains than a fly for a while after that. Just sayin'.

[KevinM1]

You clearly said a person IS their body...

Which makes a fetus a person by your own definition.

A tumor doesn't have a brain, isn't that what you believe makes one an individual? So stop with the false equivalencies

An embryo doesn't have a brain until about week five, and it doesn't have more brains than a fly for a while after that. Just sayin'.

Yup.

I find it telling that Huggy is so very desperate to tell me what I actually believe, and when I point out that he's not entirely correct in those assumptions, he tells that I'm engaging in false equivalencies. Protip: a false equivalency is when you point to something that is unlike another, like a planet that is utterly unlike earth in every way in order to say something is plausible. A zygote-to-embryo is far more akin to a tumor or cyst than not.

To stop beating around the bush, I'm okay with abortion until the end of the first trimester. After that, I'm only okay with it in the case of a medical emergency. For absolute clarity, being "okay with it" doesn't mean I'm actively rooting for, wishing for, or happy about the decision. However, I understand that my POV is limited. I am not a woman, and I've never been in a position where I've had to seriously consider abortion. For me, it's an intellectual exercise, and I'm not comfortable telling people who are actually living with the decision (or the possibility of having to make it) that they're wrong and bad. I might be an asshole sometimes, but I'm not a monster.

I hope this concludes this particular tangent.

[Huggy Bear]

You clearly said a person IS their body...

Which makes a fetus a person by your own definition.

A tumor doesn't have a brain, isn't that what you believe makes one an individual? So stop with the false equivalencies

An embryo doesn't have a brain until about week five, and it doesn't have more brains than a fly for a while after that. Just sayin'.

There you go putting words in my mouth just like your boy Kevin, I CLEARLY SAID FETUS, NOT EMBRYO!





And according to Kevin's definition, one's body is THE person, and that is clearly a body.

[vorlon13]

still not ensouled . . . .

[Huggy Bear]

Are you a politician?

I had the reputation of being a diplomat as a kid.  

So I take it you don't have a problem with the substance of what I said?

You took a neutral stance which really isn't saying anything.

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still not ensouled . . . .

You don't believe in souls so whats your point?

[Mister Agenda]

An embryo doesn't have a brain until about week five, and it doesn't have more brains than a fly for a while after that. Just sayin'.

There you go putting words in my mouth just like your boy Kevin, I CLEARLY SAID FETUS, NOT EMBRYO!



And according to Kevin's definition, one's body is THE person, and that is clearly a body.

So you agree that an embryo is not a person. Good, we have common ground.

Do you think that Kevin met that a person being their body means that every body is a person? Does that really follow? It sounds like a canoe being a boat to me. It doesn't follow that all boats are canoes.

[vorlon13]

I had the reputation of being a diplomat as a kid.  

So I take it you don't have a problem with the substance of what I said?

You took a neutral stance which really isn't saying anything.

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still not ensouled . . . .

You don't believe in souls so whats your point?

YOUR heresy.

[Huggy Bear]

I'm still wondering what fucking business it is of yours if a woman you don't know chooses to have or not have a kid?

You want a history lesson?

My stance on abortion is not even a religious one, The founder of planned parenthood was a eugenicist / white supremacist, who established clinics mostly in predominately black areas.

http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/encyc...dda4000001

Claims of genocide have been made by other groups who have been described as racially inferior and subject to violence and/or coercive interventions because of their group membership. However, because these instances are not always accompanied by the killing of large numbers of civilians, or because the intent to destroy the group as such is sometimes difficult to prove, they are not necessarily acknowledged as instances of genocide. For example, an element of the Black population in the United States has alleged genocide in response to state and other attempts at regulating the reproduction of African American women (see Weisborg 1975), attempts which were legitimized by the eugenics movement. For instance, out of approximately 7000 sterilizations performed under the eugenic sterilization policies enacted in North Carolina between the 1930s to the 1970s, about 5000 of these were performed on Black women. Other initiatives, like the Negro Project, which sought specifically to distribute birth control in African American communities, are often said to have been motivated by eugenic concerns or efforts to control the population of those considered a burden to the state. Policies like these are viewed as attempts to impose measures to prevent births within the group.

That being said, the reason Conservatives are against abortion has nothing to do with religion either, thier just using codified language.

Elements with in the conservative group are obsessed with the survival of the white race, and due to low birth rates don't want white women aborting white babies.

Republican Congressman Steve King tweeted:

[Chad32]

That is not a good reason to be against abortion, or planned parenthood, given that most of the things PP does, isn't abortion. Plus I doubt that they're dragging people inside, kicking and screaming, to kill their fetuses with coat hangers.

[Foxaèr]

Plus I doubt that they're dragging people inside, kicking and screaming, to kill their fetuses with coat hangers.

Though that certainly makes PP more interesting from my warped perspective.