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Whats the point?
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 (February 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: we really are good people who aren't a bunch of immoral evil Satanist baby murderers. Speak for yourself! Just kidding. It does seem that they think we are the devil incarnate.. Like were dragging them to hell or something.. I think its the way that religious leaders of any fundamentalists convince people we are lying..  RE: Whats the point?
February 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm by Mister Agenda.)
Does your friend only ever talk about something if it will help something? If not, tell your friend to STF up. You have a right to discuss whatever interests you. If you think that's too impolite, reflect on the fact that your friend is trying to get YOU to shut up about atheism by criticizing your motives in even talking about it.
(February 22, 2012 at 4:36 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Does your friend only ever talk about something if it will help something? If not, tell your friend to STF up. You have a right to discuss whatever interests you. If you think that's too impolite, reflect on the fact that your friend is trying to get YOU to shut up about atheism by criticizing your motives in even talking about it. He did get a good telling off. 
 (February 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm)padraic Wrote: It's most definitely not my point. I really,truly do not care about the personal superstitions of others. I also consider actively trying to change the world view of another person(proselytisng) the height of arrogance. Who said I was talking about you? Simply trying to convince people of something is not always proselytizing. We (meaning myself and those who live around me) live in a democracy, and must live our lives following laws which are made based on the opinions of others, so it is our civic duty to convince others of our ideas.
"Sisters, you know only the north; I have traveled in the south lands. There are churches there, believe me, that cut their children too, as the people of Bolvangar did--not in the same way, but just as horribly. They cut their sexual organs, yes, both boys and girls; they cut them with knives so that they shan't feel. That is what the Church does, and every church is the same: control, destroy, obliterate every good feeling. So if a war comes, and the Church is on one side of it, we must be on the other, no matter what strange allies we find ourselves bound to."
-Ruta Skadi, The Subtle Knife 
Some theists use the arguments of "It would suck if atheism was true because then there'd be no afterlife therefore God must exist" as if that was evidence for the existence of God.
Even if one agrees it would be better if a God did exists then its like the argument of someone with cancer saying cancer is terrible so it has to be a lie that I have cancer. For me personally I'd rather go through life with my beliefs based in reality than believing a lie.  RE: Whats the point?
February 25, 2012 at 12:21 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2012 at 1:04 am by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
Quote: I'd rather go through life with my beliefs based in reality than believing a lie. I'd be just fine living with a really huge lie,as long as made me happy and I never found out. Sadly,as far as I can see,religion is far more likely to bring you misery than joy or inner peace. I mean,just LOOK the majority of the believers we get here! What depressing bunch of fucking misery guts.  athiest: I was responding to this Quote:The point of talking about atheism is to convince people to not be religious Of course you may claim that is YOUR point,and that may well be what you meant.However,that is not what you said. The statement comes across as a general principle,which it clearly is not. That is why I mentioned that it is not MY point. To me, atheism is simply a mater of disbelief,not an evidence-based position.On what basis may I try to convince believers they are wrong? I have no evidence that is the case.In my opinion, to try to convince others of position without credible supporting evidence is indeed arrogant and proselyting in the worst sense of the word. OF COURSE you have every right to do as you choose without explanation or justification..However,I retain the right to differ and to challenge if you make what I see as an unsupported claim with which I also disagree. |
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