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[Fake Messiah]

And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt (bondage) again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

No man shall buy you?!!! And I thought people bought Bantu people in transatlantic trade. Seems that Bear is, again, on his wishful thinking crusade.

[Huggy Bear]

In the 28th chapter of Deuteronomy, God tells the Hebrews of the curses that would befall them for disobedience, and included in that list was the return to slavery in ships, and interestingly enough this one:

The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee. Deuteronomy 28:36-37

Okay...I wasn't sure if you were a Hebrew Israelite or not.
But now I'm fairly certain you are.

How does stating what the bible literally says make me a Hebrew Israelite? I'm sure I agree with a fair number of Presbyterian beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm Presbyterian.

True?
Do you believe black Africans were to blame for their own enslavement for turning away from the righteousness of the Most High?

Asking for a friend.

I wouldn't say I'd blame someone for someone else's actions, but I would say that actions have consequences. The Hebrews made a covenant with God, there were consequences for breaking it.


To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. Daniel 9:9-11

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And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt (bondage) again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. - Deuteronomy 28:68

No man shall buy you?!!! And I thought people bought Bantu people in transatlantic trade. Seems that Bear is, again, on his wishful thinking crusade.

Meaning, no one will buy you back  

A relative had the right to purchase your freedom under their system, it didn't work like that under a system of chattel slavery.

[Fake Messiah]

No man shall buy you?!!! And I thought people bought Bantu people in transatlantic trade. Seems that Bear is, again, on his wishful thinking crusade.

Meaning, no one will buy you back  

A relative had the right to purchase your freedom under their system, it didn't work like that under a system of chattel slavery.

lol, so it means that, eh? Then bravo Bear! you not only won this debate but the world has finally found a person that can correctly interpret the Bible.

[Athene]

Okay...I wasn't sure if you were a Hebrew Israelite or not.
But now I'm fairly certain you are.

How does stating what the bible literally says make me a Hebrew Israelite? I'm sure I agree with a fair number of Presbyterian beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm Presbyterian.

Well, you were the one who was making the distinction between real Jews and "fake" Jews on account of their being non-black, and heavily implying that American blacks are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

Hardly seems like of a stretch, but okay.
 

True?
Do you believe black Africans were to blame for their own enslavement for turning away from the righteousness of the Most High?

Asking for a friend.

I wouldn't say I'd blame someone for someone else's actions, but I would say that actions have consequences. The Hebrews made a covenant with God, there were consequences for breaking it.


To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. Daniel 9:9-11

Sounds exactly like blame to me.

And if such is the case, there's really no point in being angry with or critical towards white supremacy/racist white folks is there? If our oppression is a curse, borne of our own disobedience/lack of faith, then they've been acting in accordance to God's will all this time and aren't actually accountable for anything. 
That means that slavery in the Americas and all the associated atrocities including but not limited to rape, torture, dismemberment, mutilation, medical experimentation, sexual abuse of black children, buck breaking and murder, plus ALL of the bullshit that followed afterwards has simply been a matter of us getting our just desserts on account of our ancestors not having enough "supernatural" grace.

Believe that if you like, but I'm not buying it.

And if any of this actually were true, well...That would mean that your God ain't shit for that. 
Not worthy of worship.

I'm sorry if that offends, but that's my honest opinion.

[Fake Messiah]

[Huggy Bear]

How does stating what the bible literally says make me a Hebrew Israelite? I'm sure I agree with a fair number of Presbyterian beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'm Presbyterian.

Well, you were the one who was making the distinction between real Jews and "fake" Jews on account of their being non-black, and heavily implying that American blacks are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

Hardly seems like of a stretch, but okay.

It's not like I said any of that without context, it was in response to the question "who did "black" people pray to before slavery", that question makes absolutely no sense if the people in the scriptures WERE black... hence:

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The above scripture was not written by "Hebrew Israelites"...

Moses was married to a Kushite woman who was unquestionably black, who did she pray to?


 

True?
Do you believe black Africans were to blame for their own enslavement for turning away from the righteousness of the Most High?

Asking for a friend.

I wouldn't say I'd blame someone for someone else's actions, but I would say that actions have consequences. The Hebrews made a covenant with God, there were consequences for breaking it.


To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; neither have we obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. Daniel 9:9-11

Sounds exactly like blame to me.

And if such is the case, there's really no point in being angry with or critical towards white supremacy/racist white folks is there? If our oppression is a curse, borne of our own disobedience/lack of faith, then they've been acting in accordance to God's will all this time and aren't actually accountable for anything. 
That means that slavery in the Americas and all the associated atrocities including but not limited to rape, torture, dismemberment, mutilation, medical experimentation, sexual abuse of black children, buck breaking and murder, plus ALL of the bullshit that followed afterwards has simply been a matter of us getting our just desserts on account of our ancestors not having enough "supernatural" grace.

Believe that if you like, but I'm not buying it.

And if any of this actually were true, well...That would mean that your God ain't shit for that. 
Not worthy of worship.

I'm sorry if that offends, but that's my honest opinion.

Maybe you study some of the atrocities committed by the ancient Hebrews, at one point they were burning their kids alive in sacrifice to Moloch, God told them at the outset that he would visit the iniquities of the father upon their descendants. God has ALWAYS dealt with the Hebrews as a collective, a few people could screw it up for everybody, that's just how it was.

At the end of the day, I don't believe I am in any position to Judge the wisdom of an omniscient being...

[Athene]

Well, you were the one who was making the distinction between real Jews and "fake" Jews on account of their being non-black, and heavily implying that American blacks are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

Hardly seems like of a stretch, but okay.

It's not like I said any of that without context, it was in response to the question "who did "black" people pray to before slavery", that question makes absolutely no sense if the people in the scriptures WERE black... hence:

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The above scripture was not written by "Hebrew Israelites"...

Yes, I know that.

Lol...But that IS the single verse they refer to from the Song of Solomon that they offer up as undeniable PROOF that ALL original Hebrews were were Black, when that made-up verse could've just as easily been intended to be an expression of Pharoah's daughter; his lover/wife. Meaning that she was black, but not him necessarily. Especially if when one considers her description of Solomon:

Song of Solomon 5: 10-15-
My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.
His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.
His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.
His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.
His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold

IDK...Seems like she's describing a dark-haired, racially ambiguous, olive-complexioned fella to me. 


And again...Call me crazy, but given the location of Egypt it makes sense that the ancient Hebrews would've been diverse racially/phenotypically.
Unsubstantiated religious texts aside.

Maybe you study some of the atrocities committed by the ancient Hebrews, at one point they were burning their kids alive in sacrifice to Moloch, God told them at the outset that he would visit the iniquities of the father upon their descendants. God has ALWAYS dealt with the Hebrews as a collective, a few people could screw it up for everybody, that's just how it was.

At the end of the day, I don't believe I am in any position to Judge the wisdom of an omniscient being...

So you're willing to just ACCEPT that you and your people are deserving of slavery, oppression, torture, murder, etc based on some broken Negroes' dressed up as Power Rangers likely misinterpretation of a single verse, eh?

Okay. Got it. 

[Fake Messiah]

It's not like I said any of that without context, it was in response to the question "who did "black" people pray to before slavery", that question makes absolutely no sense if the people in the scriptures WERE black... hence:

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

Hey, that's how it is with the Bible: everyone interprets it as they want, but you must understand that some people have different interpretations, like people at Biblical Answers, say

Some have suggested that the Shulammite woman was a dark-skinned woman, perhaps of African descent. However, a more likely answer is found in the very same verse. Immediately following the mention of the woman as “dark,” we read, “Because the sun has looked upon me” (ESV). In the NIV, it’s clearer what she means: “Because I am darkened by the sun.” And the rest of the verse explains why the Shulammite was in the sun: “My mother’s sons were angry with me / and made me take care of the vineyards; / my own vineyard I had to neglect” In other words, she was forced to work outside in the sun and had not taken care of her skin as she preferred.

In modern Western culture, many women go to great lengths to tan and darken their skin. However, the opposite was true of women in the ancient Near East. Dark or tanned skin was undesirable because it indicated a woman had spent significant time working in the sun, something that servants or poor women did. More affluent women would not labor in the sun; they would stay indoors more or have nicer clothing that covered their skin.

The Shulammite woman did not want to be stared at because of her tanned skin. In Song of Solomon 1:5 we read, “Dark am I, yet lovely, / daughters of Jerusalem, / dark like the tents of Kedar, / like the tent curtains of Solomon.” The tents of Kedar were made from the wool of black goats. The curtains of Solomon is a difficult phrase to render from the Hebrew text. Many believe the correct understanding is instead “the tents of Salma.” If so, the word picture is fitting. The Salma people lived in the same general region as Kedar and likely also constructed their tents with black wool. Otherwise, the curtains of Solomon were likely purple, the color of royalty, a color that would not fit the description in verse 6. Regardless, the Shulammite is telling the other women not to think poorly of her because of her tanned skin.

Heck, maybe even the next Christian war gets to be about who the ancient Jews were. Were they aliens, Bantu, white, brown, Asian, bushmen... nothing that few holy genocides couldn't solve.

[Huggy Bear]

It's not like I said any of that without context, it was in response to the question "who did "black" people pray to before slavery", that question makes absolutely no sense if the people in the scriptures WERE black... hence:

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. - Song of Solomon 1:5

The above scripture was not written by "Hebrew Israelites"...

Yes, I know that.

Lol...But that IS the single verse they refer to from the Song of Solomon that they offer up as undeniable PROOF that ALL original Hebrews were were Black, when that made-up verse could've just as easily been intended to be an expression of Pharoah's daughter; his lover/wife. Meaning that she was black, but not him necessarily. Especially if when one considers her description of Solomon:

Song of Solomon 5: 10-15-
My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.
His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.
His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.
His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.
His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold

IDK...Seems like she's describing a dark-haired, racially ambiguous, olive-complexioned fella to me. 


And again...Call me crazy, but given the location of Egypt it makes sense that the ancient Hebrews would've been diverse racially/phenotypically.
Unsubstantiated religious texts aside.

Like I said, Moses wife was unquestionably black, (she was Kushite), she worshiped the same God Moses did; Then there was the Ethiopian Jew in the new testament traveling to Jerusalem to worship, Neither were Egyptian, does that answer the original question adequately?

If the Egyptians were so diverse, why were people so quick to judge who was an Egyptian based on appearance?

Moses was assumed to be an Egyptian by Jethros daughters.

Paul was assumed to be an Egyptian even though he was speaking Greek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids

Nubian pyramids are pyramids that were built by the rulers of the ancient Kushite kingdoms. The area of the Nile valley known as Nubia, which lies within the north of present day Sudan, was home to three Kushite kingdoms during antiquity. The first had its capital at Kerma (2500–1500 BC). The second was centered on Napata (1000–300 BC). Finally, the last kingdom was centered on Meroë (300 BC–AD 300). They are built of granite and sandstone. The pyramids were partially demolished by Italian combat medic turned explorer and treasure hunter Giuseppe Ferlini in the 1830s.

As we can see, Egyptian and Nubian cultures were similar.

Also the Zondervan bible dictionary who can't be further away from being Hebrew Israelites admit as much


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zondervan

Zondervan is an international Christian media and publishing company located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Zondervan is a founding member of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). They are a part of HarperCollins Christian Publishing, Inc. and has multiple imprints including Zondervan Academic, Zonderkidz, Blink, and Editorial Vida. Zondervan is the commercial rights holder for the New International Version (NIV) Bible in North America.

If I say it though, I'm a Hebrew Israelite....

Maybe you study some of the atrocities committed by the ancient Hebrews, at one point they were burning their kids alive in sacrifice to Moloch, God told them at the outset that he would visit the iniquities of the father upon their descendants. God has ALWAYS dealt with the Hebrews as a collective, a few people could screw it up for everybody, that's just how it was.

At the end of the day, I don't believe I am in any position to Judge the wisdom of an omniscient being...

So you're willing to just ACCEPT that you and your people are deserving of slavery, oppression, torture, murder, etc based on some broken Negroes' dressed up as Power Rangers likely misinterpretation of a single verse, eh?

Okay. Got it. 

Let's say I don't accept it, what do you suggest I do about it?

[Athene]

If the Egyptians were so diverse, why were people so quick to judge who was an Egyptian based on appearance?

Moses was assumed to be an Egyptian by Jethros daughters.

Paul was assumed to be an Egyptian even though he was speaking Greek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubian_pyramids

Nubian pyramids are pyramids that were built by the rulers of the ancient Kushite kingdoms. The area of the Nile valley known as Nubia, which lies within the north of present day Sudan, was home to three Kushite kingdoms during antiquity. The first had its capital at Kerma (2500–1500 BC). The second was centered on Napata (1000–300 BC). Finally, the last kingdom was centered on Meroë (300 BC–AD 300). They are built of granite and sandstone. The pyramids were partially demolished by Italian combat medic turned explorer and treasure hunter Giuseppe Ferlini in the 1830s.

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As we can see, Egyptian and Nubian cultures were similar.

Also the Zondervan bible dictionary who can't be further away from being Hebrew Israelites admit as much

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zondervan

Zondervan is an international Christian media and publishing company located in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Zondervan is a founding member of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association (ECPA). They are a part of HarperCollins Christian Publishing, Inc. and has multiple imprints including Zondervan Academic, Zonderkidz, Blink, and Editorial Vida. Zondervan is the commercial rights holder for the New International Version (NIV) Bible in North America.

If I say it though, I'm a Hebrew Israelite....

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely, Huggy. 
I am well aware of the fact that many of the ancient Egyptians were homogeneously black whilst simultaneously noting that there is a tremendous amount of genetic diversity among black Africans.

ALL of them weren't though. Some of them were admixed, some quite heavily so; To the point of appearing quite ambiguous or almost exclusively Persian, Assyrian, Middle Eastern, etc. in phenotype. The region is effectively part of both Africa AND the goddamned Middle East. The phenotype of some of the indigenous people changed due to centuries of invasion, conquest, and miscegenation.

Why do feel that that's something to argue about?

Yes, it's true that there have been deliberate efforts to whitewash and diminish black contributions to world history; including much of those that have been attributed to the ancient Egyptians. But that doesn't mean that ALL of documented history is a lie.

I still see no good reason to believe that NONE of the original Israelites were light, that they were usurped by demonic "fake" Jews somewhere along the line, and that folks such as you and I must the "real" ones.

The shit just sounds like Christian Identity theology in reverse, to be honest.  
 

So you're willing to just ACCEPT that you and your people are deserving of slavery, oppression, torture, murder, etc based on some broken Negroes' dressed up as Power Rangers likely misinterpretation of a single verse, eh?

Okay. Got it. 

Let's say I don't accept it, what do you suggest I do about it?

How you choose to fight is up to you, Huggy. 
I imagine that virtually anything is better then sitting around waiting for God to determine that it's time to make good on his promise to make black folks masters over white slaves in Heaven, though...Lol

That's the sort of dumb shit the Hebrew Israelites deal in. Telling weak, defeated MF's who've lost the will to fight (or never had it) whatever nonsense they want to hear to make them feel like men again. It's pretty much the same deal the Christian Identity types; Intellectually dull, sub-par, red-faced angry white guys who are unable to derive a significant sense of self-worth from anything other than having white skin and the delusion that they've been "chosen" by God because it.

Losers. All of them.

And for the record, I take you at your word when say that you're not a Hebrew Israelite.
But you may want to consider giving it a little more thought before you go around parroting their major talking points all willy-nilly.

Food for thought.