A Methodist in Your Midst

[Cyberman]

Yes that's what I had in mind. I wasn't sure if the Clam Nanny thing was still in force, having heard conflicting information. I defer to you sir.

[Angrboda]

Just one nagging question. Is this John Wesley in the bible? If not, that's a mistake right there, cuz that dude sounds totally righteous.

[Phil]

I defer to you sir.

Hope that turns out to be a good choice

BTW, a really good book is Inside Scientology: The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion by Janet Reitman.

[Norfolk And Chance]

If Vader doesn't exist, how did Luke come to be?

hmm. bcoz Star Wars was fiction?

Congratulations, you can answer your own questions! Post of the day!

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I did discuss some of the questions raised here with my pastor. He said that I should not hang around non-believers, as it will only make my faith weak

He's worried...

But I personally believe that talking to non-believers is just another way to see the truth is my belief.

That's fine, but often faith weakens in the face of reality and you might not get the result you're banking on.

Hence your pastor telling you not to hang out on here, he knows...

[Faith No More]

My pastor told me that no matter how righteous you are, you will still go to Hell is you do not accept Jesus.

Well, you certainly aren't part of the United Methodist church as this is in stark contrast to what they preached at the church I was raised in. Too bad. They are some of the most tolerant Christians I've ever met.

Welcome anyway.

[fr0d0]

You were a Christian in a church where that didn't mean believing in Jesus as saviour FTM?!?

* Credibility on hold *

[Faith No More]

No, that's not what I meant. What they preached was that it was impossible to know who got into heaven, or for what reason. They preached for people to have faith in their savior but not that faith was the absolute criteria for reaching heaven.

[Minimalist]

Just one nagging question. Is this John Wesley in the bible? If not, that's a mistake right there, cuz that dude sounds totally righteous.

Wesley's teachings, known as Wesleyanism, provided the seeds for both the modern Methodist movement, the Holiness movement, Pentecostalism, the Charismatic Movement, and Neo-charismatic churches, which encompass numerous denominations across the world.

Sounds like a total douchebag to me.

[fr0d0]

No, that's not what I meant. What they preached was that it was impossible to know who got into heaven, or for what reason. They preached for people to have faith in their savior but not that faith was the absolute criteria for reaching heaven.

Then either they were wrong or you misunderstood. Faith is in fact essential. Faith should be demonstrable by its product but the product alone is meaningless. There is only one route to salvation in what is widely regarded as Christianity and that route is via Jesus.

[Creed of Heresy]

The bible condones slavery, incest, killing, torture, and submission to a god that otherwise will damn you to an eternity of hell for the sole crime of not stroking his ego.

Do not use the "taken out of context" approach, either: It cannot be out of context since it is a direct translation and the words translated from had no alternative meanings. I need not point out the entries; if you are a good christian, you will have read through it all. If you are a typical, hypocritical, fair-weather christian, you will have only read the happy parts and therefore I'll have to go drag them up for you, which will greatly diminish my opinion of you.

I await rebuttal.