Freewill

[Thomas Kelly]

Norfolk And Chance,

I guess page 16, Post: #159.

If you do not worship God it does not lessen Him at all, God does not need your worship to be God

This is complete rubbish and you know it. His only reason for being is to be worshipped and believed in.

How do you know this ?

He could destroy everything that has ever existed and still be God. Compared to God you are no more than that dust bunny on your desk.

Yeah, whatever man, we've heard this kind of stuff before. First of all, show god to be more than a figment of your ridiculous imagination, then and only then, shall wel talk about how people compare to her.

I guess the bible is actual.

[TheJackel]

How do you know this ?

Because it's nothing more than an opinion and title of opinion. Tell me, Can your GOD exist without existence? No? Well damn, your GOD then relies on the Pantheist GOD to exist at all! That must suck.. Hence, I can simply diminish it knowing what actually governs everything is existence itself and not some pixie fairy in the sky that someone wants to bow down to... So yeah, you may as well worship the dust bunny on my desk. It's really that simple...

The other example is to say that the concept of GOD is nothing more than an opinion and title of opinion.. I thus can call myself GOD and believe that under solipsism, all of you don't actually exist and are just generated figments of my imagination.. And under your logic, there is nothing you can say that will diminish me being GOD...Right?..

Oh such fun!... I also hope the MODS go after you for your spam posting with big text and excessive spacing.

I guess the bible is actual.[/size][/font]

Yes the bible is an actual book.. So are many other books to which are far more useful.. Like survival books when planning on going hiking in the wilderness..You know, something that could actually save your life?.. Though the bible would make good material to start a fire with.. Why not honor the volcano GOD by burning it to keep warm at night out in the wilderness while saving the real important books so you don't get killed eating poisonous plants, or wrongly identify a poisonous snake for one that is not.

[Thomas Kelly]

TheJackel,

I guess page 17, Post: #162.

And under your logic, there is nothing you can say that will diminish me being GOD...Right?..

I guess that is your logic, not mine. I guess part of my reasoning is that I cannot see any figment of imagination.

Do you have proof that the bible is a figment of someones imagination ?

If figment of imagination is not seen how will you get it ?

Yes the bible is an actual book.. So are many other books to which are far more useful..

I guess that proves your investigation of things is not to be trusted.

[Paul the Human]

Really?! You came back and edited your post to fix the big text tag?

I guess you are a troll.

[Cyberman]

This is a polite request to the new guy Thomas:

Although I am extremely near-sighted to the point of almost complete blindness (at least to all practical intents and purposes) without my glasses, when I am wearing them - such as when I use the pc - I have no trouble reading screen text. Thus, while I appreciate your consideration, if such it is, for the comfort of myself and others, at least in my case it is completely unnecessary and merely makes you look like a dick who needs to boost a poor ego by shouting a lot. Please try to refrain from doing this. Thank you.

[Tobie]

Thomas, even the title of the bible is wrong.

[Thomas Kelly]

Stimbo,

I guess as you requested.

I guess page 17, Post: #162.

'TheJackel,

TheJackel Wrote: 'And under your logic, there is nothing you can say that will diminish me being GOD...Right?..'

I guess that is your logic, not mine. I guess part of my reasoning is that I cannot see any figment of imagination.

Do you have proof that the bible is a figment of someones imagination ?

If figment of imagination is not seen how will you get it ?

TheJackel Wrote: 'Yes the bible is an actual book.. So are many other books to which are far more useful..'

I guess that proves your investigation of things is not to be trusted.'


Christ the True Prophet.

“Then, besides, of what sort is that which some of the philosophers have presumed to speak even concerning God, though they are mortal, and can only speak by opinion concerning invisible things, or concerning the origin of the world, since they were not present when it was made, or concerning the end of it, or concerning the treatment and judgment of souls in the infernal regions,

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi...ii.li.html

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tobie,

Thomas, even the title of the bible is wrong.

I guess I use the name 'the bible' for the benefit of ignorant persons.

I guess there are other names used.

Chapter LIII.—Everything Has Its Corresponding Contrary.

“Therefore this division holds in all the things of the world; and as there are pious men, so there are also impious; as there are prophets, so also there are false prophets; and amongst the Gentiles there are philosophers and false philosophers.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf08.vi....liii.html

[Welsh cake]

He could destroy everything that has ever existed and still be God.

What is the creator without its creation? Like a prison without prisoners, he would become a bee without a stinger.

Compared to God you are no more than that dust bunny on your desk.

Does your god boast and take pride in making his creation so pathetic and inferior to him?

A more wonderful god concept would be if he loved his work enough that it would grow to outshine him in every way and make him proud.

No wonder your god's angry all the time, his work stinks.

Then why does he seek it so desperately? Why is he so desperate to be acknowledged as existing and worshiped and loved? Why is he so insistent on us doing as he wants upon the pain and penalty of eternal torture if our actions matter so little to him?

He's very insecure.

[No God No Problem]

I think people are taking the meaning of freewill out of context. Freewill was not meant to be free as in free from everything (no strings attached). It is indeed meant to be a voluntary sacrifice (Lev. 22:23; Ezra 3:5). My definition of freewill is to accept Jesus as my personal saviour and continue to do whatever is permitted from the teachings of the Bible.

Your definition of freewill is to do what is allowed of you by God or is permitted by the bible? I am sorry to say but that is bordering on the opposite of free will.

[TheJackel]

I guess that is your logic, not mine. I guess part of my reasoning is that I cannot see any figment of imagination.

Not required for solipsism as my generated imagination doesn't have to have the same reasoning.

Do you have proof that the bible is a figment of someones imagination ?

Yep, Solipsism..

If figment of imagination is not seen how will you get it ?

A mind generates drama, stories, fairy tales, and life events so it can entertain itself.. Drop Dead Fred is just another example, and so are pixie fairies. Basically, Pantheists have you intellectually beat theologically, philosophically, technically, scientifically, and rationally in every respect when it comes to the concept of "GOD"... Once you go straight to existence itself, the debate is technically over regardless of how much delusion and denial you might try grasp on to. :/

I guess that proves your investigation of things is not to be trusted.'

You deny it's a book? And how is the investigation that existence itself is what governs and dictates all that exists some how not to be trusted? After all, I must exist and follow the rules of existence itself in order to exist even though, according to your logic, I am GOD... Yep, even sollipsism which would be higher on the GOD totem pole than your imaginary friend you call GOD can't exist without cause, or not be bound to the rules of existence itself. Yep, the philosophical GOD train stops there son.. Existence is GOD and all things are of GOD itself.. So that makes all things GOD regardless if imagined or not from even my solipsistic mind.

Christ the True Prophet.

Christ's doesn't exist. And the only true Prophet is existence itself as it is the only thing that will determine what does or doesn't happen, come true, or exist at all.

“Then, besides, of what sort is that which some of the philosophers have presumed to speak even concerning God, though they are mortal, and can only speak by opinion concerning invisible things, or concerning the origin of the world, since they were not present when it was made, or concerning the end of it, or concerning the treatment and judgment of souls in the infernal regions,

THE IRONY!!! ... And again do tell us what is GOD without existence? ... Oh yeah, it's worthless, meaningless, non-existent, and entirely irrelevant... Must suck to be slave to require another religions GOD to even make that statement of yours. Your entire religion is worthless in comparison to reality itself.

I guess I use the name 'the bible' for the benefit of ignorant persons.

Well, you sure do qualify as one ignorant person.. So of course your bible is for the benefit of ignorant people as it teaches them to be exceptionally more ignorant than ever before.

I guess there are other names used.

Like "Fiction"

“Therefore this division holds in all the things of the world; and as there are pious men, so there are also impious; as there are prophets, so also there are false prophets; and amongst the Gentiles there are philosophers and false philosophers.

Well, anyone preaching your religion is definitely a false prophet.. And it might piss you off that Pantheist Philosophers have your sad little philosophy intellectually inept.. Basically, Pantheists have you intellectually beat theologically, philosophically, technically, scientifically, and rationally in every respect when it comes to the concept of "GOD"... Once you go straight to existence itself, the debate is technically over regardless of how much delusion and denial you might try grasp on to. :/

So that brings us back to that lovely question you avoid:

What is GOD without existence?

It's this very question the collapses your entire philosophy, religion, or beliefs concerning the subject.. I can even ask what are you without existence? ..What is your philosophy without existence? What is that book you carry without existence?.... Yep, irrelevant, worthless, meaningless, an entirely pointless.... Even your own responses will be utterly worthless on any intellectual level without having to abide by those premises. But guess what, I'm not a pantheist either considering worshiping anything as GOD is just utterly stupid to begin with.