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Freewill
#71
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 3:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote: described as almost being the founder of Christianity but obviously Jesus being before him. Or did you not know that the NT has roughly 31% of Paul's letters alone? The biggest contributor out of all the authors.
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So what? Does not prove (as you define proof) that the Bible is false.

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#72
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 4:08 am)Christian Wrote:
(March 27, 2012 at 3:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote: described as almost being the founder of Christianity but obviously Jesus being before him. Or did you not know that the NT has roughly 31% of Paul's letters alone? The biggest contributor out of all the authors.
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So what? Does not prove (as you define proof) that the Bible is false.

Paul's letters don't actually prove anything. He never met Jesus.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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#73
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 3:28 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:How dumb can you be, Paul never tried to write the NT, he wrote letters that were later used as part of the NT.
Paul is always described as almost being the founder of Christianity but obviously Jesus being before him. Or did you not know that the NT has roughly 31% of Paul's letters alone? The biggest contributor out of all the authors.

Yes I know Paul's letters make up a great deal of the NT, that still in no way means he was trying to write any thing that would become part of today's Bible. Paul was only interested in helping out the early christians, God inspired his words and thus these letters became part of the NT.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#74
RE: Freewill
Godschild Wrote:Paul was only interested in helping out the early christians
Yes.

Quote:God inspired his words
Just like Allah opened the doors of heaven for Mohammad's visit. Because it's obvious when gods decided to interact with humans.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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#75
RE: Freewill
I just read 8 pages of some serious apologists bull shit. Yuck! (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth) [/exaggeration]


Just let the sheep believe what they want. They're never going to see it people. They don't want to. They can't.
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#76
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I just read 8 pages of some serious apologists bull shit. Yuck! (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth) [/exaggeration]


Just let the sheep believe what they want. They're never going to see it people. They don't want to. They can't.

Funny you say that. I wanted to prove so badly that Christianity was THE truth, yet it's as if God himself led me to the reasons why he didn't exist.

That's the first miracle I ever experienced.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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#77
RE: Freewill
"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." {Morpheus- The Matrix 1999}


"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#78
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 9:35 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Funny you say that. I wanted to prove so badly that Christianity was THE truth, yet it's as if God himself led me to the reasons why he didn't exist.

That's the first miracle I ever experienced.

Actually, an honest mind searching for an honest answer will often find it.

That is exactly why Christians don't like you asking questions and getting answers outside of their control. I too found my freedom because I went looking for the truth. There are hundreds of thousands of us, even preachers and missionaries, who have found the truth and left christianity behind because it holds no more water than any of the other religions of the world.

Christianity = Disease
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#79
RE: Freewill
(March 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I just read 8 pages of some serious apologists bull shit. Yuck! (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth) [/exaggeration]


Just let the sheep believe what they want. They're never going to see it people. They don't want to. They can't.

I see just fine, I see just fine because I choose to, I see just fine because I trust God to show me the way.
(March 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:Paul was only interested in helping out the early christians
Yes.

Quote:God inspired his words
Just like Allah opened the doors of heaven for Mohammad's visit. Because it's obvious when gods decided to interact with humans.

Mohammad never visited God, Mohammad forgot the teachings of the Torah, no man can look upon God and live, God even told Moses this, Mohammad has many flaws in his teachings, Mohammad was just another want-a-be.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#80
RE: Freewill
(March 28, 2012 at 2:24 am)Godschild Wrote:
(March 27, 2012 at 8:45 pm)Cinjin Wrote: I just read 8 pages of some serious apologists bull shit. Yuck! (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth) [/exaggeration]


Just let the sheep believe what they want. They're never going to see it people. They don't want to. They can't.

I see just fine, I see just fine because I choose to, I see just fine because I trust God to show me the way.
(March 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:Paul was only interested in helping out the early christians
Yes.

Quote:God inspired his words
Just like Allah opened the doors of heaven for Mohammad's visit. Because it's obvious when gods decided to interact with humans.

Mohammad never visited God, Mohammad forgot the teachings of the Torah, no man can look upon God and live, God even told Moses this, Mohammad has many flaws in his teachings, Mohammad was just another want-a-be.

Maybe it's my engineering discipline here, but you can't logically assume you're being guided by God if the middle-man, Jesus, never existed. You want the NT to be the link to God and vice versa but without Jesus the NT doesn't have a foothold on reality at all. There's a huge hole that the hearsay of the gospels try to fill in. It's like trying to cross a bridge that has a massive gap in the middle. You can't get from one side to the other. The NT and the idea of God just aren't connected in any way, shape or form.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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