Scottish independance

[Autumnlicious]

I'm not defending Scotland. I'm neutral on the issue, actually, even though I know that England has not been the greatest friend of the Turk for some time, I'd rather not pick a side.

Maybe because your country's crumbling empire got into bed with Kaiser Wilhelm and helped create WW1 in doing so?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%...n_Alliance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Railway

Oh, Turkey continued relations with Germany until 1944 (thats 5 years too long, Mehmet)

Just a thought.

That's not relevant to the discussion at hand. While I enjoy referenced material, thumping someone over their reasonable posts is bad conduct.

Return to topic guys or create another one about Turkey's relation with Britain.

Mehmet is not Turkey, so holding him accountable to anything but his own views is wrong.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%...n_Alliance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Railway

Oh, Turkey continued relations with Germany until 1944 (thats 5 years too long, Mehmet)

Just a thought.

If the likes of him could see this, his "race" would probably be more highly regarded and their country would probably be wealthier and more influential then it is.

Same goes for you too. Make another thread. But quit the personal attacks. Criticize his posts and give evidence. Nuff said.

[Napoléon]

Isn't a person by the name of Napoleon suppose to cheer the departure of parts of United Kingdom?

If I had my way I'd conquer it all, but fighting on multiple fronts is never a good idea.

Ah well. I'll just go off and live on an island somewhere.

[5thHorseman]

Sorry Moros and Mehmet.

A United Kingdom is more powerful economically together than split up. Although I do despise having to pay £9k a year when I start later this year, and Scotland charging non-Scots top whack.

I'm not fussed but. 'Some 54 per cent of people in Scotland questioned by Ipsos Mori for the thinktank British Future said they wanted to stay in the Union, against just 29 per cent who backed independence.'(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/s...ngdom.html) On the other side of the story, that number wanting independence is increasing steadily, hense why SNP are not calling a referendum, yet. They'll give it a couple of more years of stagnation economics from our wonderful Conservatives to ramp up support, then POW.

[Autumnlicious]

Besides, there is nothing to be held accountable for. We participated in WWI, we lost.
There isn't much to be said about it, really. But I think the WWI was an even greater victory for our own ideals. It allowed us to create a nation state. What more could we want out of it?

Oy vey! If you want to really carry this sub discussion, post just ONE more time on this subtopic in this thread. If not, do not feed it.

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With regards to Scottish Independence, who are the English really to have anything other than an opinion? They haven't seized your armories, so the need to defend oneself and preserve your Union is a bit out of the question. The fact that they're peaceably working through the process and have economic reasons that are not considered socially/ethically unacceptable certainly makes a comparison with our efforts to preserve the American Union shakey at best.

So I predict that if the Scots really want to be let go, England has no other choice but to accede. Their arguments for preserving it have not apparently swayed enough of the Scots.

[Faith No More]

If you guys don't want Scotland anymore, perhaps we can make a trade. We'll take care of them, and in return Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas are now part of the U.K.

Deal?

[5thHorseman]

I want Scotland as part of the Union. As I have said, in todays world economic power is everything and Scotland creates £131bn of the UK's total GDP of £1.45tn, approx 9%. This is significant as if you lose 9% of our GDP, we'd be toe to toe with Italy in the GDP stakes, that's a serious loss of power.

Also, how do you carve up of British diplomatic embassies around the world? The 1/3 of our armies which are Scottish? New constitutions for both areas? What to do with North Sea oil, where are the border boundaries? New tax effects on businesses and people? Scottish University funding? The list is endless and as so, is extremely expensive.

Independence is not a viable option at this moment in time and Alex Salmond and his SNP like to stay quiet when asked about the costs of independence. Obviously it'd cost billions but he wouldn't want his notoriously cheap ass citizens to realise this would he.

[Autumnlicious]

Hissst! I split the irrelevant shit out. Back to the woes of England and Scotland!

[5thHorseman]

Oh and it's English business too (although no one talks about it), Moros, because the costs of independence will take effect on us too.

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So I predict that if the Scots really want to be let go, England has no other choice but to accede.

True, no one would stop it.

Their arguments for preserving it have not apparently swayed enough of the Scots.

Yes they have, see my above posts. 29% want independence 54% do not. (but i feel i have misread your statement)

[Anomalocaris]

I want Scotland as part of the Union. As I have said, in todays world economic power is everything and Scotland creates £131bn of the UK's total GDP of £1.45tn, approx 9%. This is significant as if you lose 9% of our GDP, we'd be toe to toe with Italy in the GDP stakes, that's a serious loss of power.

Yes, but even if your GDP were neck and nect, UK would still ahead for the want of a burlesconi.

[5thHorseman]

He's gone, they got Mario Monti now, he's an economist dont you know . He's also going to single handedly save the euro........