Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?

[Minimalist]

http://bbq.about.com/cs/porkpulled/a/aa080400a.htm

[The Grand Nudger]

"Once the Texan has been shown the door over his pronouncements of the virtues of brisket,"

^This....

[Minimalist]

BBQ in the south is practically a religion. Granted, a far more useful religion than any of the agnry desert god shit they usually drone on about.

[AthiestAtheist]

It always blows my mind when I see terrible arguments from atheists. I get that not every atheist arrived at atheism by being rational, skeptical, or intelligent in the slightest, but this thread is just ridiculous. Folks, your arguments absolutely blow. Try to exercise your critical thinking skills before spewing idiotic pro-meat bollox. It's okay if you like to kill and eat dudes, but there's no excuse for sounding like a dummo.

It seems that every vegetarian who comes to this site says that. Most people eat meat, and this is not a vegetarian site, so... do the math. Ya know, use that "logic" you keep talking about.

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I'll give you the fact that we need food to survive. That's a good one. Does it need to be flesh, though? Not so much.

My instinct disagrees, it does need to be meat.

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You're completely misrepresenting my intentions and my actions after I've explained that you are incorrect. Stay classy.

You say that your intention is to just get us to not use bad arguments, but then you keep going on about the morality of eating meat. You can't exactly give logical reasons why something is immoral. Are you arguing from a logical standpoint, or an ethical standpoint; the two don't really mix. There is nothing "logical" about not causing harm to animals.

[BethK]

Me, living out here in ranch/feedlot/farming country, I still think I'm doing good to get t-bones for $5.99 (US) per POUND. You're paying that much for a KG! Wow!

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What a coincidence,so did I. They were on spesh,at $5.99 a kg (2.2lb) Bloody great it was too.

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It always blows my mind when I see terrible arguments from atheists. I get that not every atheist arrived at atheism by being rational, skeptical, or intelligent in the slightest, but this thread is just ridiculous. Folks, your arguments absolutely blow. Try to exercise your critical thinking skills before spewing idiotic pro-meat bollox. It's okay if you like to kill and eat dudes, but there's no excuse for sounding like a dummo.

We as a species have evolved to eat meat, if you have evidence to the contrary please present it.

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I eat meat, not only is it a required part of my diet as an omnivore, but I enjoy eating it.

People love to get caught up on what our ancestors did for some reason. Whether the consumption of flesh had any impact on our evolution is irrelevant, though. The only direction that discussion can go is toward an argument from tradition, which no one should find convincing in the slightest. I will point out that you're confusing "evolved the capability to eat meat" with "evolved to eat meat." Those are incredibly different statements, and the one you used is very much wrong.

Are you actually serious about humans requiring flesh to survive? Since you seem unfamiliar with the workings of basic human nutrition and are unlikely to educate yourself on the subject (nobody ever does ), simply take a look at any long-term vegan for evidence that your claim is false. You'll find plenty of people who have been vegan for decades and are perfectly healthy.

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There is one major nutrient that does not come from plants. That is vitamin B-12. Lack of vitamin B-12 leads to depression and fatigue, and long-term deficiency leads to brain malfunction or misdevelopment in foetuses and children.

This shows me that humans evolved to eat meat. Human's have both incisors and canines in their teeth - indicating that we are omnivores.

Certainly, one can get adequate vitamin B-12 from supplements - or have food which is fortified with vitamin B-12. It can be artificially synthesized, but that is a recent development (decades) in the time homo sapiens have existed.

Lacto-ovo vegetarians can get adequte vitamin B-12 from their diets without a problem.

[Minimalist]

It seems that every vegetarian who comes to this site says that.

It's the holier-than-thou attitude that pisses me off the most. They are as bad as the fucking theists when it comes to that shit.

[Jinkies]

It always blows my mind when I see terrible arguments from atheists. I get that not every atheist arrived at atheism by being rational, skeptical, or intelligent in the slightest, but this thread is just ridiculous. Folks, your arguments absolutely blow. Try to exercise your critical thinking skills before spewing idiotic pro-meat bollox. It's okay if you like to kill and eat dudes, but there's no excuse for sounding like a dummo.

It seems that every vegetarian who comes to this site says that. Most people eat meat, and this is not a vegetarian site, so... do the math. Ya know, use that "logic" you keep talking about.

Is your argument that most people here eat meat, and this is not a vegetarian site, therefore the arguments here are obviously going to be absolute shit? I don't agree if that's your point. I pointed out a number of flaws in some of the arguments here, but not all arguments on a site such as this are necessarily going to be that terrible. I'm not sure why you think so poorly of people such as yourself, but honestly not everyone has such poor arguments as you.

I'll give you the fact that we need food to survive. That's a good one. Does it need to be flesh, though? Not so much.

My instinct disagrees, it does need to be meat.

Wait, so your "instinct" affects the types of food your body can consume? That's amazing! While James Randi hasn't touched on this topic exactly, you should totally contact him as soon as possible. There's no fucking way he won't give you that million bucks for having some sort of magical body.

Also, desire and instinct are not the same thing. You should educate yourself about what instincts actually are before claiming that they are what drive your behavior in this area.

You're completely misrepresenting my intentions and my actions after I've explained that you are incorrect. Stay classy.

You say that your intention is to just get us to not use bad arguments, but then you keep going on about the morality of eating meat. You can't exactly give logical reasons why something is immoral. Are you arguing from a logical standpoint, or an ethical standpoint; the two don't really mix. There is nothing "logical" about not causing harm to animals.

I kept going on about morality because people kept giving shit arguments that I responded to. How are you missing that?

It's the holier-than-thou attitude that pisses me off the most. They are as bad as the fucking theists when it comes to that shit.

Yeah, because you obviously never see that holier-than-thou attitude from any meat eaters. I think you may have a slight bias there, dawg.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Yeah, because you obviously never see that holier-than-thou attitude from any meat eaters

Tu quoque dickhead.(look it up)

[Jinkies]

Yeah, because you obviously never see that holier-than-thou attitude from any meat eaters

Tu quoque dickhead.(look it up)

I'm familiar with tu quoque, but why would you think it applies here? I didn't state that I don't have a holier-than-thou attitude. I'm fairly certain I do. I'm just saying that I'm definitely not the only one here who has one. Do you disagree?

And calling me a dickhead? Fuck, you are one classy broad. I'm sure your intellectual arguments can only get better from here. Stay solid, broseph.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

BBQ in the south is practically a religion. Granted, a far more useful religion than any of the agnry desert god shit they usually drone on about.

Here too. Every Aussie bloke should have have an outdoor,stainless steel, gas barbecue which can be seen from space.

The meal wast traditionally beef or pork sausages, made from fat off cuts,cereal and preservatives,plus huge shoulder 'lamb' chops. The barbecue was a 4 gallon drum with holes belted in with a pick and topped with a circular plough blade. Fuel;anything flammable lying around.
Served with; white bread,potato salad,iceberg lettuce,tomatoes, and canned beetroot.

Washed down with local long neck beer..


Today:cooked on a massive appliance which imparts great confidence in the male cook, but not skill


Whole snapper,chicken and green Thai curry kangaroo sates,specialty sausages at $7.50 a pound (vs $1.50 a pound),no shrimp (prawns)

Served with sourdough bread and focaccio, and seventeen kinds of salads from the latest gourmet magazine.

Washed down with bottled water, four or five kinds of boutique beer, a nice Chablis or Reisling and a decent Cabernet- Sauvignon.

Children are served indoors while they play video games..