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RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 20, 2012 at 12:29 am
There are alot of different dietary choices floating around, Jains would seem to have an even more ethical diet than the vegetarians here, but perhaps only by their own standards. Ours haven't expressed such a finicky taste for what plants they would or would not eat and why.
Of course I don't think the Jain dietary decisions are any more or less ethical than our vegetarians, or my own, in actuality, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt in order to keep the ball rolling.
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RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 20, 2012 at 12:32 am
I would like to let everyone know that I loved every delicious bite of my sandwich... I think I will go fishing this weekend.
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RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 20, 2012 at 12:35 am
Fish are fair game, iirc.
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April 20, 2012 at 2:40 am
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(April 20, 2012 at 12:32 am)TheJackel Wrote: I would like to let everyone know that I loved every delicious bite of my sandwich... I think I will go fishing this weekend.
Fishing---Mmmmm prawns (shrimp)---we also have some of the best crayfish (lobster) in the world. I have prawns at Xmas ,but never lobster; a decent one can cost over $100.
Sydney rock oysters are world famous too,but few Aussies eat them because of the mercury. 
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RE: Do you agree with Richard Dawkins?
April 20, 2012 at 2:44 am
Wow, fresh lobster is far cheaper here, Pad. Prawns are generally crap though.
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April 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm
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April 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm
I can give that to you in it"s entirety, now, do you figure that it's impossible to raise chickens ethically? Does this argument somehow lead to ethical vegetarianism, or just a more ethical omnivorism?
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April 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm
(April 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: So, this is an idea of what I mean when I talk about unnecessary suffering. I my world I recognise that although chickens may be quite tasty, this is a trivial reason to exploit these creatures. It is unnecessary. For the sake of argument, let's say I substitue lentils in my diet for chicken. Now please make your arguement of how my consumption of lentils causes unnecessary pain and suffering.
What is trivial to you is not trivial to me. The pain of the chickens is necessary to my non-trivial delight in chicken marsala.
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April 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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(April 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm)Chuck Wrote: (April 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: So, this is an idea of what I mean when I talk about unnecessary suffering. I my world I recognise that although chickens may be quite tasty, this is a trivial reason to exploit these creatures. It is unnecessary. For the sake of argument, let's say I substitue lentils in my diet for chicken. Now please make your arguement of how my consumption of lentils causes unnecessary pain and suffering.
What is trivial to you is not trivial to me. The pain of the chickens is necessary to my non-trivial delight in chicken marsala.
Then I simply take from that I would not want to know you as a person. I would sugest that you have a Christian-like, Western take on animals, that you believe that you are somehow special, perhaps created in the image of god. I fail to understand how a person can be so flippant. Albert Schweitzer sums up my opinion of you:
“Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea
of worthless human lives.”
(April 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I can give that to you in it"s entirety, now, do you figure that it's impossible to raise chickens ethically? Does this argument somehow lead to ethical vegetarianism, or just a more ethical omnivorism?
Wait. We are trying to have a 'real world' discussion here. I think that you are agreeing with me that chicken 'production' in the circumstances I describe is unethical. Are you saying that there are real world examples of chicken production that involve no pain and suffering?
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April 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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(April 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: Then I simply take from that I would not want to know you as a person. I would sugest that you have a Christian-like, Western take on animals, that you believe that you are somehow special, perhaps created in the image of god. I fail to understand how a person can be so flippant. Albert Schweitzer sums up my opinion of you:
“Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea
of worthless human lives.”
I don't think I would like to know you either, you seem have the very christian tendency to flakily package your own squeamishness as morality, and buttress your hollow attempt to impose your morality with silly little bag of quotes.
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