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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2012 at 7:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Except that this is exactly how it works Frods. You want your bearded man. Make it so. Until then, doesn't exist. Unless, of course, my bearded man, who is much more powerful than your own, that essentially just sits a few feet higher and shits on your own -that I just made up on the spot- is equally as real. In which case, I'm willing to bend, and allow you to squirm a bit.
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Re: RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm
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(April 24, 2012 at 6:16 pm)wtfbbq Wrote: Uh... I guess I have to go reword this a lot because that's certainly not where I was trying to go. Heh 
Well the theistic position seems meaningless, but I guess that's how it's meant to sound from an atheist.
Yes there's a lot of pointless chest beating and too little delving into the interesting variation in ideas.
Progression happens when you learn something.
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:15 pm
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
Did somebody say something about meaninglessness?
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Heh
Well the theistic position seems meaningless, but I guess that's how it's meant to sound from an atheist.
I certainly don't want to say that the theistic position is meaningless. I'm trying to ask if there's something to the theistic or the atheistic position that they're overlooking in discourse.
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 6:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Also...
Ted: A bearded man in the sky is repsonsible for nothing.
Bob: What is your proof?
Ted: What is your proof that he is?
Bob: That's not how making a claim such as yours works.
Ted: Oh, you can't prove it? I win.
But mostly...
Bob: <any question>
A) Ted: piss take; insult
B) Ted: change the subject <do A>
Meaningless pap.
Theists might claim that a man in the sky is responsible for everything, but atheists don't claim a man in the sky is responsible for nothing!
We claim that we don't believe there is a man in the sky.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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Re: RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:18 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm)wtfbbq Wrote: I certainly don't want to say that the theistic position is meaningless. I'm trying to ask if there's something to the theistic or the atheistic position that they're overlooking in discourse. Yes, and kudos. See my edit above 
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:19 pm
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<-This one does. There is no man in the sky, and this imaginary man in the sky is responsible for nothing. There is, however, a man in Frodo's head, and this imaginary man is responsible for a great many things.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:21 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Well the theistic position seems meaningless
We have progress.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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Re: RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:25 pm
(April 24, 2012 at 7:21 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: (April 24, 2012 at 7:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Well the theistic position seems meaningless
We have progress.
You don't have to try so hard Norf you're already on the list 
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RE: Apples and Oranges
April 24, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Is it an imaginary list or a real one?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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