10 Arguments Against Hell

[simplexity]

@Godschild

"Sins are committed against an eternal God, and if one does not find forgiveness through Christ those sins remain against an eternal God, for eternity. As long as the sin exist so does the punishment which is eternal."

You still did not address why it is you cannot repent after you finish this lifetime. Oh, right God is eternal and all knowing. Well, that gets no-one anywhere.

"The rest of your statements are not Biblical, they are your opinion you want God to exist by, breaking news, God does not work with your mortal opinions. His will stands for eternity, in His omniscience His plan is perfect, your opinion changes nothing."

Why do you think, if there is an eternal God, he even follows ,even most of the logic of a book written over hundreds of years by sheep herders? Your God is probably imaginably laughing at how the "reason" he gave to his followers has been twisted in such a way.

"Guess what, evidence is not part of God's plan, at least the evidence you're looking for, and God is unchanging, so it is you that has to change, God will never come down to your level of unreasonable thinking."

Then I declare your God an idiot and a moron, who can not think reasonably. My opinion may not change much, but it is closer to the truth than yours which relies on only the opinions of some guy two-thousand years ago who maybe had some good ideas, and some other sheep herders through some hundreds of years. At least I have an opinion and it is based on how a "loving God" as Christians believe him to be would logically act him being "truth" as it is. You could say the pattern of God's existence is unchanging, yes. But Gods(Logos) actions do change according to the unchanging pattern of the word.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was God"

"God will never come down to your level of unreasonable thinking". Well it seems to me that more than half of the worlds population think for themselves and goes through what you call this "unreasonable thinking" so an all powerful God could come down to this level of unreasonable thinking. I mean he is the one who gave us this unreasonable thinking in the first place according to you, and apparently he has the same unreasonable thinking. We were made in his image, correct?

"God does not work with your mortal opinions".
Wrong, according to you we were made in his image so he at least has some aspect of himself which does.

@taeaearlgrey
It is not really a true separation from God entirely, but more like a existential separation. A denial of the truth of God if you will.

[Welsh cake]

What's to stop a person from repenting after they died?

The fact that is to late to do so, it is in this life that we have to make the decision to repent, after death there is the physical evidence you want, and salvation can only come through faith in Christ. Sorry but that is the plan of an unchanging God.

Why is it too late? Because you say so? What, are you the authority on god and make the decisions for him or something?

I don't accept your premise. If you assert there's a life after death then you've no choice but to accept a person is more than capable of changing his ways. They CAN change. If he/she cannot then he/she is quite frankly, dead, as in, the ceased to exist kind of dead.

The sinners own attitude, one's own self, in this the one has no one to blame other than his/her self.

Granted, if they remain wilfully unrepentant, and for those who do accept they were wrong?

Hell is not for rehabilitation, it's a place of punishment, the time for rehabilitation is in this life.

The Universalists disagree with you. The Annihilationists disagree with you. Why should I believe you?

It is not my doctrine, it's the plan of the omniscient, eternal and unchanging God.

And you know this, how?

Even Jesus Christ admitted he doesn't know. He doesn't even know who'll sit at the left hand of the father. You figured how a god's brain works? How the hell did you manage that?

[jess_essential]

There are countless arguments against hell, great thing about that is the place doesn't exist, so it doesn't fucking matter. The difference between god and a human parent is that most human parents don't fucking stone their children to death for not listening, or turn them into a pile of salt for looking back when they've been told not to. When human parents kill their children, they get life in prison. When is your god to be sentenced? Who is to sentence him? Nobody? Nobody has the "divine right" to sentence god, right? Well to shit with divine right, I'll sentence him to a million milleniums on earth with all of the "chaos" he has supposedly created. Being that he created everything, everything that happens here is a mere extention of him, unoless you bring up the concept of free will (and I just know you will!). So, lets do that and see how he does with that one.

[Godscreated]

The fact that is to late to do so, it is in this life that we have to make the decision to repent, after death there is the physical evidence you want, and salvation can only come through faith in Christ. Sorry but that is the plan of an unchanging God.

Why is it too late? Because you say so? What, are you the authority on god and make the decisions for him or something?

If you had ever read the Bible you would know these things, they are scriptural. Unlike you I find the answers to questions in scripture, instead of whining and crying about the things God has laid out in His plan as you do, I study and accept what He in His omniscience has planned.

I don't accept your premise. If you assert there's a life after death then you've no choice but to accept a person is more than capable of changing his ways. They CAN change. If he/she cannot then he/she is quite frankly, dead, as in, the ceased to exist kind of dead.

It's not my premise you reject, it's the plan of God you reject. There is life after death and those who die without Christ will not change, their time passed, the time for change had to come in this life. Those who are before God without Christ are judged for their sin, sin that will never be forgiven, why, because they thumb their nose at God and His plan to redeem them in this life. They can not nor will not change, but will grow more angry with God for all eternity, they will live in this increasing anger without relief from it forever and ever.

The sinners own attitude, one's own self, in this the one has no one to blame other than his/her self.

Granted, if they remain wilfully unrepentant, and for those who do accept they were wrong?

Salvation! They saw they were the problem and not God and repented.

Hell is not for rehabilitation, it's a place of punishment, the time for rehabilitation is in this life.

The Universalists disagree with you. The Annihilationists disagree with you. Why should I believe you?

Don't believe me believe what the scriptures say, read the NT and see fore yourself. Though I'm a Southern Baptist I do not agree with all the doctrine, like my pastor says, if you think I'm wrong please go to the scriptures and find the truth. He admits he's a fallible man who can make mistakes.

It is not my doctrine, it's the plan of the omniscient, eternal and unchanging God.

And you know this, how?

Once again, and you know I get tired of having to say this, I know you all are not that dense, THE BIBLE!

Even Jesus Christ admitted he doesn't know. He doesn't even know who'll sit at the left hand of the father. You figured how a god's brain works? How the hell did you manage that?

Christ did not say he did not know who would be at the left hand of the Father, you're trying to distort scripture, He told the disciples that the seat to the Father's left was already reserved. Just because He did not elaborate does not mean He did not know, the only thing Jesus said He did not know, was the exact hour that the Father would send Him back.

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@Godschild

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"Sins are committed against an eternal God, and if one does not find forgiveness through Christ those sins remain against an eternal God, for eternity. As long as the sin exist so does the punishment which is eternal."

You still did not address why it is you cannot repent after you finish this lifetime. Oh, right God is eternal and all knowing. Well, that gets no-one anywhere.

"The rest of your statements are not Biblical, they are your opinion you want God to exist by, breaking news, God does not work with your mortal opinions. His will stands for eternity, in His omniscience His plan is perfect, your opinion changes nothing."

Why do you think, if there is an eternal God, he even follows ,even most of the logic of a book written over hundreds of years by sheep herders? Your God is probably imaginably laughing at how the "reason" he gave to his followers has been twisted in such a way.

"Guess what, evidence is not part of God's plan, at least the evidence you're looking for, and God is unchanging, so it is you that has to change, God will never come down to your level of unreasonable thinking."

Then I declare your God an idiot and a moron, who can not think reasonably. My opinion may not change much, but it is closer to the truth than yours which relies on only the opinions of some guy two-thousand years ago who maybe had some good ideas, and some other sheep herders through some hundreds of years. At least I have an opinion and it is based on how a "loving God" as Christians believe him to be would logically act him being "truth" as it is. You could say the pattern of God's existence is unchanging, yes. But Gods(Logos) actions do change according to the unchanging pattern of the word.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was God"

"God will never come down to your level of unreasonable thinking". Well it seems to me that more than half of the worlds population think for themselves and goes through what you call this "unreasonable thinking" so an all powerful God could come down to this level of unreasonable thinking. I mean he is the one who gave us this unreasonable thinking in the first place according to you, and apparently he has the same unreasonable thinking. We were made in his image, correct?

"God does not work with your mortal opinions".
Wrong, according to you we were made in his image so he at least has some aspect of himself

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I'm not going to argue with some one who does not read all the post in this thread, here in you can find the answers, nor will I argue with one who persist to take scripture and distort it so badly it's not recognizable. If you think I will take you seriously because you spout a Greek word or two you are mistaken my friend.

[simplexity]

I'm not going to argue with some one who does not read all the post in this thread, here in you can find the answers, nor will I argue with one who persist to take scripture and distort it so badly it's not recognizable. If you think I will take you seriously because you spout a Greek word or two you are mistaken my friend.

I have read all of the posts in this thread and nowhere is there any biblical evidence that the dead cannot repent. And the fact that our argument against it is not only based entirely on the "metaphors" of the bible, but also on reason. And I have given you reasons why this would not make since with a "loving god". I do want to see your biblical evidence, even so.

I have not distorted the scripture. Maybe I have interpreted it in such a way. That is an actual verse and I have not distorted it: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Probably one of the only verses in the bible that makes any sense. John Chapter 1 verse 1. My point in using the "greek word" as you said was not to be taken more seriously. It is just another way of describing one aspect of your "God".

You can look at my description of the absolute nature of God this way.

I am me. I myself am unchanging because I will always be me. "God" is also unchanging in such a manner. Yet he can still act in different ways according to all that he is. In this manner his actions are NOT absolute the same as my actions are not always absolute. Yet, all that God is(his pattern as I worded it), IS absolute. I have not distorted scripture whatsoever. To back this up there is a ton of biblical evidence that Gods actions are not absolute. Just read the old testament.

And my analogy may not be so great because all that I am is most likely not really absolute, yet biblically all that God is, is absolute. The logic still works either way.

[el_presidente]

God is apparently so concerned with delineating our damnation to hell that he even dispatches messengers on the Internet to disagree with each other on exactly how, when, an why we atheists are to burn.

It's too bad clarity and consistency isn't next to godliness. But if god is anything, god is arbitrary, contradictory, and entirely characterized by second-hand gossip.

[Cinjin]

What's to stop a person from repenting after they died?

The fact that is too late to do so, it is in this life that we have to make the decision to repent, after death there is the physical evidence you want, and salvation can only come through faith in Christ. Sorry but that is the plan of an unchanging God.

This is of course the common belief of most Christians -- that a human being must accept a god he cannot see, hear or touch, and repent, not for the sins of the flesh, but rather for not accepting a god-man who has not been proven to ever have even existed. Their god will forgive you for torturing small children, but he won't forgive you for not accepting that he exists. As a matter of fact, once you've been saved you don't have to technically ever ask forgiveness again. You may not get crowns of gold to lay at Jesus' feet and you may not be told, "Well done thou good and faithful servant" by the man himself, but hey, you'll still go to Heaven.

But why won't their god let everyone into Heaven when they die?? "Sorry but that's just the plan of an unchanging god" just doesn't cut it.

It makes absolutely no sense. Why would an all-powerful creator god who takes the time to actually live inside people's hearts, tell millions of 2nd century chinamen to "go to hell ... too late for you!" ??? Why??? "Hey all you native americans ... too fucking late." "Hey all you jews executed in the holocaust ... too late, fuck you." Why? "Hey atheists, you wanted proof, now you got it ... too late, burn asshole!"

What is so far up gods ass that he couldn't simply forgive them when they finally witness all his supposed awesome power??? Who does that?!?!? Who tortures BILLIONS of souls for the rest of time just to prove a point?!??! Better yet, how do you possibly love such a horribly evil being??????

The whole concept is just so god damn ridiculous. It VERY CLEARLY isn't real. It was cooked up by humans over thousands of years. It's been written and re-written and re-hashed, smashed and stashed only to be exhumed and brought back like a left over pizza that's been reheated and assured to be tasty, but only leaves you wishing you'd ponied up for the take-out. Millennia after millennia, humans 'copy & paste' each other's fairy tales so often that they're all nearly identical ... and STILL we have billions swearing up & down that their brand of stupidity is "the only way."

There is far more likelihood that the North American Bigfoot exists than your god. I take that back. There is more likelihood that the North American Bigfoot and the Lochness monster are fornicating and producing Santas Elves drag racing on the mother fucking Sunset Strip - than there is that your god exists. (sarcasm - recognize it!) The BULL SHIT that I have read from our resident brothers-in-christ over the last few days has been a staggering, mind-bending, blood-boiling amount of absolute stupidity. I just needed to let this hostility go right now before I said something I couldn't take back to some religious fucktard here in the real world.


I know this much. Every friend I've ever had has more decency and love in his heart than your god does. Not a single one of them would send you to hell for not knowing that they exist ... let alone for all eternity.

[ace1ventura]

Re Cinjin's OP:

9. What are Satan's motivations exactly? Does he win if he gets enough souls? Why would he torture souls that were not loyal to Yahweh/Allah? Even if Satan’s motivation for torturing humans is revenge against Yahweh/Allah, what possible satisfaction could be achieved by torturing people that god had already turned his back on for all eternity?

your point no 9 wins the case for u. Satan wants us to do wrong and god punishes wrong doers so Satan would be happy to see a wrong doer at his door step. in fact it could be party time in hell why would Satan punish his follower.

[C Rod]

your point no 9 wins the case for u. Satan wants us to do wrong and god punishes wrong doers so Satan would be happy to see a wrong doer at his door step. in fact it could be party time in hell why would Satan punish his follower.

How does the Joker feel about Harley Quinn? How does he feel abut Batman?

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

your point no 9 wins the case for u. Satan wants us to do wrong and god punishes wrong doers so Satan would be happy to see a wrong doer at his door step. in fact it could be party time in hell why would Satan punish his follower.

How does the Joker feel about Harley Quinn? How does he feel abut Batman?

Hmm. I don't know. Why don't we ask him? Oh wait, we can't. He's a fictional character! Reminds me of someone else...