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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm
(May 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's try this one, one more time, you have rejected God, so the answer is within you.
You can't reject something that you do not believe exists. You can only not believe it exists.
I reject you though.
Just so you're clear about how this rejection thing works.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm
(May 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: (May 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: Let's try this one, one more time, you have rejected God, so the answer is within you.
You can't reject something that you do not believe exists. You can only not believe it exists.
I reject you though.
Just so you're clear about how this rejection thing works.
he was a believer at one point in his life then rejected God. Your nosy reply fails!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 12, 2012 at 5:28 am
(May 11, 2012 at 6:50 pm)Aiza Wrote: God is love; the source of all good and happiness. Finding a total absence of all joy and happiness as "splendid" is cartoonish villainy and not how people genuinely are Satanists and some Misotheists strongly disagree, they love to hate god.
You claim god is the source of happiness? What nonsense. I'm not even going to ask you to prove it. I AM the source of my own happiness. Nothing else in reality, real or unreal can make me truly happy except myself.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 12, 2012 at 8:13 am
(May 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You can't reject something that you do not believe exists. You can only not believe it exists.
I reject you though.
Just so you're clear about how this rejection thing works.
he was a believer at one point in his life then rejected God. Your nosy reply fails!
No he didn't reject god, he just decided that he didn't believe that god was real anymore. You cannot reject something that you don't accept exists!
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 12, 2012 at 8:16 am
(May 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: (May 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You can't reject something that you do not believe exists. You can only not believe it exists.
I reject you though.
Just so you're clear about how this rejection thing works.
he was a believer at one point in his life then rejected God. Your nosy reply fails!
In the same way you rejected Ra, Osiris, Baal, Jupiter, Odin, Loki, Quetezacoatal, etc,etc,etc.
Why are you right and he's wrong?
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
(May 12, 2012 at 8:16 am)Zen Badger Wrote: In the same way you rejected Ra, Osiris, Baal, Jupiter, Odin, Loki, Quetezacoatal, etc,etc,etc.
Why are you right and he's wrong?
Godschild never followed any of those gods so it wouldn't be "in the same way", and furthermore, yes, that is still a rejection of polytheism.
(May 12, 2012 at 5:28 am)Welsh cake Wrote: You claim god is the source of happiness? What nonsense. I'm not even going to ask you to prove it. I AM the source of my own happiness. Nothing else in reality, real or unreal can make me truly happy except myself.
All good things come from God. This is what Christianity holds. People can certainly "love to hate" any idea of God that they have, but being genuinely happy eternally alienated from all love is another thing altogether, and it runs contrary to the human spirit.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm
(May 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Aiza Wrote: All good things come from God. This is what Christianity holds.
The evidence is to the contrary -- and there's an overwhelming amount of it.
the christian god loves himself far far more than he could ever love you ... as most gods do.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 13, 2012 at 3:10 am
(May 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm)Cinjin Wrote: The evidence is to the contrary -- and there's an overwhelming amount of it.
the christian god loves himself far far more than he could ever love you ... as most gods do.
What "evidence" is to the contrary? 
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Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 13, 2012 at 5:29 am
(May 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)Aiza Wrote: All good things come from God. This is what Christianity holds.
You mean like Rabies, Diptheria, lungworms, African eyes worms and all the other good things your god supposedly created.
Quote: People can certainly "love to hate" any idea of God that they have, but being genuinely happy eternally alienated from all love is another thing altogether, and it runs contrary to the human spirit.
Since your god has yet to be proven to even exist, it's rather a moot point.
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RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
May 14, 2012 at 4:12 am
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(May 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Cinjin Wrote: 1. Just punishment should fit the crime. Hell is eternal torture, the likes of which are hard for me to imagine a crime that would warrant it.
I've got what I think is a better argument on "the punishment should fit the crime". And, it does - or at least strives to - in any civilized country.
Here's the basic imbalance:
No matter what someone does while alive on earth, they can only do a finite number of evil deeds, and create a finite amount of damage and/or suffering. Even the "thought crimes" about worshipping "false gods" or not believing in or worshiping god, is only a finite evil. Within a human lifetime, anything they did they only did for a finite time.
Sending them to an eternal Hell for an eternal torture exceeds the amount of evil they did while on earth, the bad things they did on earth.
If God is a Just god, he would not punish someone in an unjust manner. Hence, God would never send anyone to Hell, as it is commonly believed in.
(May 10, 2012 at 3:41 am)Welsh cake Wrote: ]Well that's very un-Christian of you. You're not supposed to find the damnation of another amusing.
Actually, that is very "Christian" of him. One of the amusements or rewards of Heaven is to look down and watch the less-fortunate or rebellious souls suffer infintite punishment for an infinite amount of time. That is supposed to be very amusing.
I have to wonder about all of thse "good Christians" whose beliefs involve them being in heaven, worshiping God, seeing Jesus everyday in the streets of heaven, and watching others be tormented, unmoved to do anything about it. This seems like sheer evil calousness to me.
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