Help and advice needed to save a soul from damnation

[Chuff]

See if you can get him to read Jesus Interrupted. That should be enough to get him questioning.

I think I'll buy that, sounds as though the author deconverted himself by writing it

[Minimalist]

One of many who actually read the fucking thing and realized it couldn't possibly be true.

[Mystic]

I think you should just let him be. Let him find his own path.

[Chuff]

I think you should just let him be. Let him find his own path.

If it was his own path, then I'd be inclined to agree

But it isn't, not by a long shot. His head has been filled with this stuff by other influencial people in his life, namely his grandmother

I think it would be irresponsible of me to just close my eyes and pretend it isn't happening and just let these other people put whatever ideas they like into my childs head without me offering a different perspective.

Or do you disagree ?

[Mystic]

I think you should just let him be. Let him find his own path.

If it was his own path, then I'd be inclined to agree

But it isn't, not by a long shot. His head has been filled with this stuff by other influencial people in his life, namely his grandmother

I think it would be irresponsible of me to just close my eyes and pretend it isn't happening and just let these other people put whatever ideas they like into my childs head without me offering a different perspective.

Or do you disagree ?

It's still his path. He has to face his bias, he has to think critically, he has to understand there is differing views, and investigate them because that was he will learn a dignified human does. He has to himself look at people arguing against his path.

But right now, he is just 13.

[Angrboda]

I'm... strange...

It may be old fashioned, but I think unconditional love is still a crowd favorite.

Why do we feel the need to make others into versions of ourselves. I'm not a parent, so I don't understand. I understand you want the best, and maybe I'm idealistic and unrealistic, but I think the best is probably helping him be the best him that he knows how to be. I'm a broken child. My parents were very controlling. I'm still trying to recover from a childhood in which both my parents tried to restrict, thwart and channel my growth to serve their own selfish needs. I will die before I am able to become completely unfolded. Perhaps that's true of us all. Non-parent, and a lot of Taoist based mystical mojo about how to live and be is all wrapped up in this advice, but after a life lived as a Taoist, that's simply how I roll.

I wish you both well.



(ETA: This may be a bit silly, but my life has been drenched in ethics and the philosophy of morality lately. [Mea culpa.] But the golden rule is as serviceable as ever; do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Try to imagine your roles reversed, with him as the father, and you as the son: how would you like your dad to be about his beliefs vis a vis your rather 180 degrees separation between those and your own beliefs, cares, loves, worries... and needs? What did your real life father not do for you as a child that you wish he would have done?)

[Chuff]

It's still his path. He has to face his bias, he has to think critically, he has to understand there is differing views, and investigate them because that was he will learn a dignified human does. He has to himself look at people arguing against his path.

But right now, he is just 13.

If I can have a good chat to him and try to encourage him to think about things critically, and let him know that there are other viewpoints / While at the same time not openly insult or undermine his own views, then I will be happy.

I'm... strange...

It may be old fashioned, but I think unconditional love is still a crowd favorite.

Why do we feel the need to make others into versions of ourselves. I'm not a parent, so I don't understand. I understand you want the best, and maybe I'm idealistic and unrealistic, but I think the best is probably helping him be the best him that he knows how to be. I'm a broken child. My parents were very controlling. I'm still trying to recover from a childhood in which both my parents tried to restrict, thwart and channel my growth to serve their own selfish needs. I will die before I am able to become completely unfolded. Perhaps that's true of us all. Non-parent, and a lot of Taoist based mystical mojo about how to live and be is all wrapped up in this advice, but after a life lived as a Taoist, that's simply how I roll.

I wish you both well.



(ETA: This may be a bit silly, but my life has been drenched in ethics and the philosophy of morality lately. [Mea culpa.] But the golden rule is as serviceable as ever; do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Try to imagine your roles reversed, with him as the father, and you as the son: how would you like your dad to be about his beliefs vis a vis your rather 180 degrees separation between those and your own beliefs, cares, loves, worries... and needs? What did your real life father not do for you as a child that you wish he would have done?)

So far the situation has gone completely unchecked and I have had no influence on this part of his life.

I want him to know that I love him no matter what he believes, but to also let him know that there is another way of thinking, and that what he has been taught is not the only way

Whatever path he chooses in life, he needs to know that there is choice just not was predefined for him by adults of influence in his life.

[Annik]

Doing this helped begin the undermining of my faith: Get him interested in mythology.

[Mystic]

If I can have a good chat to him and try to encourage him to think about things critically, and let him know that there are other viewpoints / While at the same time not openly insult or undermine his own views, then I will be happy.

I agree with this approach, but most probably, it really won't sink in, critical thinking, till a later age.

I'm not a parent, but right now, I appreciate that my parents don't argue with me about my view points.

I respect them for their beliefs and they respect me. This is all I can ask for from my family, I can't expect them to come to my beliefs.

I want him to know that I love him no matter what he believes, but to also let him know that there is another way of thinking, and that what he has been taught is not the only way

Whatever path he chooses in life, he needs to know that there is choice just not was predefined for him by adults of influence in his life.

Everyone, even a small child knows this. What people don't know, is why they believe what they believe. They don't realize their confirmation bias.

But even when they do, it's hard to let go.

I think the best thing you can do for him is treat him as much with love and care, that way he will be attached to you, and some of that bias of wanting those whom influence him to be correct, will be split between you, and he won't mind you being correct. You will be reducing his confirmation bias, or rather making two poles by this approach.