Understanding the bible

[Minimalist]

I stated this earlier in this discussion,

You were a lunatic then and you remain one.

[Godscreated]

"Try this go back and read what I stated and this time act like an adult, that is if you are, and see if you can see what I stated, if not ask a third grader."

When you start reasoning better than a kindergardener, we can proceed. Until then, so long as you maintain that you personally know what your imaginary sky wizard felt and thought based on a set of stories made up by men to control people, I think I shall stand fast and wait for you to catch up.

Of course you won't, because you're married to your idiotic fantasy. The fact that you think anyone should take you seriously here is simply testimony to your state of delusion.

I said those things because I'm tired of people turning around what I say when they (you) know what I mean, this is what a child would do. So it's not me that needs to grow up, however many here do.

[FallentoReason]

I would explain some wonderful things about the holy spirit, but you would need a genuine interest in the subject to actually believe it, we know you all just like playing around, this old hat for you pros.

Given that I used to consider myself a reborn Christian and never felt the Holy Spirit, I'm more inclined to believe that the Gospel authors such as the philosopher Luc Mestrius Plutarchus (who wrote Luke-Acts) were describing something different altogether.

Philosophers tend to think along the lines of reality and not supernatural stuff.

[Epimethean]

"Try this go back and read what I stated and this time act like an adult, that is if you are, and see if you can see what I stated, if not ask a third grader."

When you start reasoning better than a kindergardener, we can proceed. Until then, so long as you maintain that you personally know what your imaginary sky wizard felt and thought based on a set of stories made up by men to control people, I think I shall stand fast and wait for you to catch up.

Of course you won't, because you're married to your idiotic fantasy. The fact that you think anyone should take you seriously here is simply testimony to your state of delusion.

I said those things because I'm tired of people turning around what I say when they (you) know what I mean, this is what a child would do. So it's not me that needs to grow up, however many here do.

Growing up means giving up childhood fantasies, GC. You ready to let go of your make-believe friend and step over into maturity? When you are, let us know. Until then, the growing is all on you.

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I would explain some wonderful things about the holy spirit, but you would need a genuine interest in the subject to actually believe it, we know you all just like playing around, this old hat for you pros.

Given that I used to consider myself a reborn Christian and never felt the Holy Spirit, I'm more inclined to believe that the Gospel authors such as the philosopher Luc Mestrius Plutarchus (who wrote Luke-Acts) were describing something different altogether.

Philosophers tend to think along the lines of reality and not supernatural stuff.

It is unlikely that Plutarch wrote any part of the bible. Please stop going on as if that is a fact.

[Godscreated]

I would explain some wonderful things about the holy spirit, but you would need a genuine interest in the subject to actually believe it, we know you all just like playing around, this old hat for you pros.

Given that I used to consider myself a reborn Christian and never felt the Holy Spirit,

Maybe the reason you never experienced the Holy Spirit is this, you considered yourself a christian and maybe God did not, just sayin.

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I said those things because I'm tired of people turning around what I say when they (you) know what I mean, this is what a child would do. So it's not me that needs to grow up, however many here do.

Growing up means giving up childhood fantasies, GC. You ready to let go of your make-believe friend and step over into maturity? When you are, let us know. Until then, the growing is all on you.

People who give up all the things from their childhood are not grown up, they're boring.

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The Bible can not truly be understood without the revelation of the Holy Spirit. That's why so many have trouble with the scriptures, they either read and get only a surface meaning from them,or the bring their own preconceived ideas into the reading of scripture and make those ideas fit the scriptures. Properly read one will allow the Holy Spirit to open up the word of God's truth and apply it to one's life. To many would rather make the scriptures fit their ideas and lifestyle.

I agree! Excellent insight.

Thanks Salty, glad to see you back.

[Epimethean]

If you're suggesting that christianity is one of the exciting things to keep from childhood, you have been abused even worse than I thought.

But it is fun to see you dance around, moving your own goalposts.

[Godscreated]

If you're suggesting that christianity is one of the exciting things to keep from childhood, you have been abused even worse than I thought.

But it is fun to see you dance around, moving your own goalposts.

I do not move goalposts, that would not be fair, especially to me.

[FallentoReason]

Maybe the reason you never experienced the Holy Spirit is this, you considered yourself a christian and maybe God did not, just sayin.

Yeah that's fair enough. But because we're talking subjective experiences here, we'll never know for sure =)

It is unlikely that Plutarch wrote any part of the bible. Please stop going on as if that is a fact.

I'm really really interested in hearing from people around here why he's not related to the early Christian writings. Sorry for making you bite, but why do you think it's unlikely?

[Kayenneh]

..I'm tired of people turning around what I say [...]

No one is twisting your word, but basing your ideas on such an absurd source, it's no wonder that you'll eventually say stuff that contradicts itself. Perhaps one day you'll understand that.

[Godscreated]

Maybe the reason you never experienced the Holy Spirit is this, you considered yourself a christian and maybe God did not, just sayin.

Yeah that's fair enough. But because we're talking subjective experiences here, we'll never know for sure =)

Since you believe it's subjective maybe it is true God did not see you as a Christian, we could be getting closer to "sure." Though it seems subjective to you it's absolute for me.

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..I'm tired of people turning around what I say [...]

No one is twisting your word, but basing your ideas on such an absurd source, it's no wonder that you'll eventually say stuff that contradicts itself. Perhaps one day you'll understand that.

Show me where I've contradicted myself in what I believe.