Scientific ACCURACIES in the Bible

[Tobie]

Still doesn't mean oblate spheroid, does it, Drich? Knowing the shape of the earth shouldn't be a big stretch for god, seeming as you believe he created the bloody thing.

Also, you ignore the section in the link titled "Biblical usage". It does not say sphere in there, so your point is irrelevant.

So who was the OT written to? This generation or the last who coined the term 'oblate Spheroid' and assigned it to describe the Earth's shape? Or men who lived 2500 years ago? Would it stand to reason that if God had Isaiha use words that would alienate men for 2500 years, that a great majority would be lost that did not have to be? Wouldn't it be more sensable for a more mordern man make the jump in understanding that one lived 2500 years ago could not?

Your god apparently gave you the fucking bible, heck, you even believe he created the world, it's not much of a stretch for him to say "this is the shape of the earth, and here's a word to describe this shape". If a great majority was not lost by the host of bullshit in the bible, I doubt it would be to some term that they hadn't come across being mentioned once in the whole book.

[Drich]

So, just to interject, I'm starting to think that maybe you feel that scriptures have it right somewhere, that you can point to this or that and say "see?".

Care to point me in the direction of a highlights reel? The earth being a sphere has been believed by other cultures (and sometimes by cultures that previously believed it was a turtle) throughout history. Not that any of them had any actual idea what the shape of the earth was, but, a broken clock is wrong twice a day.

When you thought it was wrong you all lined up and pointed to your 'translations' to dance around what you thought was a slain giant. Now that the bible is proven to be not wrong it's a broken clock.

Here is a simple principle for you. If you do not want to believe in God then simply don't. Stand on your own authority and simply say I do not want to belive in God and it is my choice that I don't. And Just leave it at that. You don't need a reason. Reasons are the beginning of a defense. If there is no God what is their to defend?

[Tobie]

So, just to interject, I'm starting to think that maybe you feel that scriptures have it right somewhere, that you can point to this or that and say "see?".

Care to point me in the direction of a highlights reel? The earth being a sphere has been believed by other cultures (and sometimes by cultures that previously believed it was a turtle) throughout history. Not that any of them had any actual idea what the shape of the earth was, but, a broken clock is wrong twice a day.

When you thought it was wrong you all lined up and pointed to your 'translations' to dance around what you thought was a slain giant. Now that the bible is proven to be not wrong it's a broken clock.

Here is a simple principle for you. If you do not want to believe in God then simply don't. Stand on your own authority and simply say I do not want to belive in God and it is my choice that I don't. And Just leave it at that. You don't need a reason. Reasons are the beginning of a defense. If there is no God what is their to defend?

So one reference in one lexicon counts as proven does it? I now see why you think it is rational to believe in god.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL Drich, the bible is still wrong.

Let me break this down for you.

Your interpretation does not count as proven.

Knowing and believing are entirely different things. You and I "know" that the earth isn't a cube. Cultures long since dead "believed" that the earth was not a cube.

Do I seem like the kind of guy who gives a shit about what people believe?

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

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Now that the bible is proven to be not wrong it's a broken clock.
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Hasn't happened yet. Referencing an old lexicon with a questionable definition that contradicts other lexicons is not a very good argument. Try again.

[Drich]

I would be interested in how Genenius came to the conclusion that it can mean "sphere."

They are not the only ones I have several hard copies and alll say sphere.. Maybe you can write a letter and find out.

Did he see the Isaiah passage in question and come to the conclusion that "...well, chuwg/chug [same word] certainly means sphere here because the Bible can't contradict reality"?

Also, some other lexicons don't include "sphere" http://concordances.org/hebrew/2329.htm

http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q...References

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Look up the word compass in the english. It describes a curved circumference or, circumscribed space.

Drich, you're also ignoring the context of the verse too. As my quotation explained, it makes more sense to read it as describing a flat earth in the context of the verse

If we are looking at context we can not float between the Hebrew and english, we must pick one and seek clarity or establish context using one set of words. Here in the Hebrew the word in question Literally describes a circled circumfrance. The bibles that are traditionaly translated in english will Almost always give a direct translation rather than an interperated version. Unless you seek out an easy to read or understand version. Matter of fact, the ERV says shpere. The traditional versions will stick to a more literal interpertation and leave it to the reader to figure things out. Remember the bible (traditional transllations) were not written for the masses. There is alot more needed to understand what is on page that just a quick read or on page understanding of what is being communicated.

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[quote='Rhythm' pid='297280' dateline='1339280178']
Men who lived 2500 years ago would have understood particle physics or a nuclear reactor had a competent tutor explained it to them. Don't even try that shit...

Your ancestors weren't complete fucking morons, they just didn't have the right tools..ffs.....

So every single man who lived from that time to this had to be taught all of these things? is that what you are saying God needed to do in order to make salvation possiable?

So basically we all need a complete understanding of how the universe works to be saved? is this what you are saying?

[The Grand Nudger]

No one "had" to be taught any of these things, and how precisely did this line of inquiry enter the conversation? Rhetorical, diversionary. "Saved" has exactly fuck all to do with anything or anyone. In specific instances where comments that would imply knowledge are made by what is proposed to be an omniscient or creator figure we would expect such comments to be consistent with factual reality. They are not. "Saved" or not. We would expect these comments to be references to knowledge and not belief, they are not. Saved or not.

[Drich]

So who was the OT written to? This generation or the last who coined the term 'oblate Spheroid' and assigned it to describe the Earth's shape? Or men who lived 2500 years ago? Would it stand to reason that if God had Isaiha use words that would alienate men for 2500 years, that a great majority would be lost that did not have to be? Wouldn't it be more sensable for a more mordern man make the jump in understanding that one lived 2500 years ago could not?

Your god apparently gave you the fucking bible, heck, you even believe he created the world, it's not much of a stretch for him to say "this is the shape of the earth, and here's a word to describe this shape". If a great majority was not lost by the host of bullshit in the bible, I doubt it would be to some term that they hadn't come across being mentioned once in the whole book.

As it is billions if not trillions are saved by How God communicated the shape of the world as it is written now, and only lost one. If you are the only casualty from this description of the world, then I think it was a pretty successful wording.

[Tobie]

Your god apparently gave you the fucking bible, heck, you even believe he created the world, it's not much of a stretch for him to say "this is the shape of the earth, and here's a word to describe this shape". If a great majority was not lost by the host of bullshit in the bible, I doubt it would be to some term that they hadn't come across being mentioned once in the whole book.

As it is billions if not trillions are saved by How God communicated the shape of the world as it is written now, and only lost one. If you are the only casualty from this description of the world, then I think it was a pretty successful wording.

Ah of course, the New Drich Church, where the most important bible teaching is the short passage of Isiah where it states the shape of the earth incorrectly.

[The Grand Nudger]

Demonstrate that anyone has ever been (or will ever be) saved?