If atheism is incoherent, whose fault is that?

[Gambit]

I'm in, when do I get my weekly allowance of guilt, reinforced with righteous indignation?

One of the best jokes told to me, actually when I was a liberal Christian, long ago was by a friend at the time "I am the only Jewish kid sent to Catholic school, that way I get to feel twice as guilty about everything I do"/

Haha, love it. I read some of your poetry, btw, pretty impressive.

[Brian37]

One of the best jokes told to me, actually when I was a liberal Christian, long ago was by a friend at the time "I am the only Jewish kid sent to Catholic school, that way I get to feel twice as guilty about everything I do"/

Haha, love it. I read some of your poetry, btw, pretty impressive.

Awe shucks, but I do have my critics. Some people cant stand it because it isn't metered and I capitalize every line. But having been reading poetry for 25 years almost, you learn quickly that art really is subjective. Feel I get lucky and will defend tooth and nail the stuff I feel is good. But I will not put myself in the class of Plath or Poe. My strength is subject matter, not technique. I have never understood the poets who spend so much time on 50$ words and couplet meter so much that the message might as well be a dog whistle.

But thanks in any case.

[Gambit]

I used to suffer from the same sort of critique; when I tried my hand at poetry. However, my style was a mix of freestyle and stream of consciousness. I had some great mentors, though. Here's my good friend and muse's site. He is pretty technical, but an awesome poet all the same.

http://www.versebornson.com/

[Brian37]

I used to suffer from the same sort of critique; when I tried my hand at poetry. However, my style was a mix of freestyle and stream of consciousness. I had some great mentors, though. Here's my good friend and muse's site. He is pretty technical, but an awesome poet all the same.

http://www.versebornson.com/

I just went to that website and this one caught my eye.

http://www.versebornson.com/2011/01/impe...eptus.html

Again being one focused on subject matter and not meter, this one scares the ever living shit out of me.

If I am reading the entire motif of the poem correctly it blames humans for what this god did not have to set up in the first place. Our "haughty" thoughts. I cannot think of a worse motif than advocating self loathing and the avoiding of the responsibility of the game you set up that the players had no say in and then blame you for what this god started.

Now again, I am strictly talking about subject mater here. If I was judging flow alone, it flowed like most I read.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I forgot who said it but something to the affect "Atheism is the noise a rational person makes in the face of absurdity". Not those exact words but I think it might have been Richard Dawkins.

Sounds more like one of Hitchens' arrogant ad hominems.

[Reforged]

What, because religion has failed to settle on a definition for the word "God" we're the ones being incoherent and illogical?
I think not.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What, because religion has failed to settle on a definition for the word "God" we're the ones being incoherent and illogical?
I think not.

I didn't say that. Back to basics: An Atheist is simply a disbelief in gods. The position neither implies nor infers anything about rationality or logic.

Besides, I have yet to meet a consistent rational human being.

[Gambit]

I used to suffer from the same sort of critique; when I tried my hand at poetry. However, my style was a mix of freestyle and stream of consciousness. I had some great mentors, though. Here's my good friend and muse's site. He is pretty technical, but an awesome poet all the same.

http://www.versebornson.com/

I just went to that website and this one caught my eye.

http://www.versebornson.com/2011/01/impe...eptus.html

Again being one focused on subject matter and not meter, this one scares the ever living shit out of me.

If I am reading the entire motif of the poem correctly it blames humans for what this god did not have to set up in the first place. Our "haughty" thoughts. I cannot think of a worse motif than advocating self loathing and the avoiding of the responsibility of the game you set up that the players had no say in and then blame you for what this god started.

Now again, I am strictly talking about subject mater here. If I was judging flow alone, it flowed like most I read.

Don't quote me on this, but I think the author is an Atheist/agnostic. He draws from a lot of sources for his poetry. You have to admit, though, the man has a mastery of the written word.

[Reforged]

What, because religion has failed to settle on a definition for the word "God" we're the ones being incoherent and illogical?
I think not.

I didn't say that. Back to basics: An Atheist is simply a disbelief in gods. The position neither implies nor infers anything about rationality or logic.

Besides, I have yet to meet a consistent rational human being.

Was refering to the original post and the subject ingeneral as opposed to arguing whatever point you were making but ok.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Was refering to the original post and the subject in general as opposed to arguing whatever point you were making but ok.

Oops.


Have I mentioned I'm old and easily confused?