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Why does God exist?
#11
RE: Why does God exist?
We can't fathom the infinte existence of god or why he exists, so don't worry about it, get down on your knees, and 'worship' Jesus.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#12
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(June 21, 2012 at 12:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So, to the Christians here, why does God exist? Please note I'm not asking what caused God to exist. Nor am I asking "who designed or created God?" I'm not trying to frame God in a temporal terms. Merely, why does God exist as opposed to nothing existing?

Also, is it stranger to think of natural reality existing inexplicably by itself or God existing inexplicably by himself?

That is all.

Haven't we be through this before? God says that no one can understand why God eternally exists. So good luck on getting a real answer.

Who said God existed by Himself, you'll not find that in scripture, even if He did He is all encompassing and would never be alone. So to answer your question, I could never believe in a existence that God was not a part of.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#13
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Quote:I could never believe in a existence that God was not a part of.


We know. You are too far gone.
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#14
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(June 22, 2012 at 12:21 am)Godschild Wrote: . So to answer your question, I could never believe in a existence that God was not a part of.

As if the bedrock reality of our universe would therefore sunder themselves to accommodate your pitiful moral and intellectual handicap.
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#15
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(June 21, 2012 at 12:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So, to the Christians here, why does God exist? Please note I'm not asking what caused God to exist. Nor am I asking "who designed or created God?" I'm not trying to frame God in a temporal terms. Merely, why does God exist as opposed to nothing existing?

Also, is it stranger to think of natural reality existing inexplicably by itself or God existing inexplicably by himself?

That is all.

I was just searching for opinions on this because it really is an amazing thing to ponder.

The topic is known as Divine Aseity. Meaning God has life in Himself. God is Self Actualized.
I think what you're getting is which is the brute fact--the universe or God.
Christians dont theorize about these things and believe because its a matter of the humble heart. You go to God and ask about the truth regarding Christ. Is this real and so on and if so allow me to understand it. Then it is placed in your mind as fact by God. If belief was based on these types of conversations(which it is for many religious people) then you've built your belief upon a list of pro's. The problem is all it takes is one con to sway back and forth. Thats not what real Christian is. They Know as sure as they know their own name.
So now that thats out of the way--so you know where Im coming from.

Theist Philosophers conclude there must be a being that is "Necessary" to explain all other contingent beings otherwise the spacetime universe is the cause of itself which is incoherent. I was born in 1963...I cant plan and design myself in 1962 so I come into being.

Such is the problem with the big bang. Yes, I understand QMechanics and its virtual particles but that occurs in already existing universe so you have to keep kickin the can down the street causing us to avoid the obvious---I cannot bring myself into existence if I dont exist and with the physical universe we are always talking about a little bit of "something". It unavoidable and semantics cant escape that fact.

You can really forget about all the fine tuning that has forced multiverse conjecture and logically ludicrous infinite universe maker machines and just stick with your question--which really cant be satisfied by the universe...we must stop at God because he is not a physical spacetime object. Only an Eternal Mind satisfies all questions and is why its has been "the" explanation for existence for all of human history.

As an atheist Im sure you've heard all the infinite regress, unmoved mover, finetuning probabilities, God is not in time, so I wont bore you.

But your question is the exciting question and It seems to me that it must be chalked up to a Brute Fact that God is the only one who truly exists.

All we know is the physical world... that is bound by Time and enclosed in Space and we cant help but limit our imagination to OUR TYPE of existence.
Even though we all dream entire worlds every night that are composed merely of Thought. A space we create where objects have substance, speech is heard and things are seen that have no concrete existence apart from You sustaining them by your very Will.

One theologian said physicists are like the cartoon character looking for the clues to the illustrator in the cartoon world. I think of the actors in your dream trying to find You sleeping in your bed. The apostle Paul describes it by saying "we live, move, and have our being IN God".

As I alluded to... Im completely biased on this because I can never shake this fact placed in my head. But it makes complete and logic sense to me that the answer that best fits the physics of design, the morality and freewill we feel, and the testimony we have shows that the Universe is created and sustained by God Thought.

That although we feel rocks are hard and yellow is bright-----to God, they are not. They have no more substance or perception than we have in dreams. Everything..even the notion that " I think, therefore I am" are given to us by the only one who actually has true self actualized existence and God has given each of us a place to exist in his thought, to be free to reveal exactly who we are to him, without coercion, and with just enough proof through creation and testimony to seek him out and just enough doubt to say its all nonsense. Leaving only those who truly love the idea of his majesty and humility shown through Christ to turn to him and those who dont to feel perfectly free of coercion rejecting him.

Anyway,,thats my take. I find it amazing to think about. there is probably nothing cooler and more unfathomable as the nature of existence and what Gods life is like. He has limited us to one thought after another --a singular consciousness--and we cant imagine what it would be like to think a trillion things at once. To know, see, and fully comprehend every particle in the universe. To have no location or angle to witness things but to simply "know", inside and out, all of creation. It makes sense to me why he described himself as "I Am"
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#16
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Man created god in man's image, to provide comforting answers to disturbing questions.
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#17
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(June 21, 2012 at 12:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So, to the Christians here, why does God exist? Please note I'm not asking what caused God to exist.
"why" is a cause question, so you're creating a paradox before we even begin. The only instance in which "why" would not be an investigation of cause is in a question like "why should God exist?" which focuses on God's effects instead.
Example (if you are skeptical):
Why are roses red? Because they were created/developed that way.
Why should roses be red? To please us/to attract bees.
As you will find, all physical objects work this way. God is not a physical object. He is out of our realm of experience. Any attempt to apply our universal laws to God will hit a dead end. God put his Word on earth to put Himself in our terms, to cross the boundary and communicate. But there's only so far He can go. Words like omnipotent and omniscient only just brush the ideas of transcendence and self-existence.
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#18
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I would think he exists, because ultimate existence must exist, as opposed to nothing or finite small existence (quarks and what not). Original reality is ultimate existence. Therefore he exists, because he had to have existed.
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#19
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The "why" in my OP is not a cause question. I asked why does God exist as opposed to nothing. I did not ask "what caused God to exist."

The idea that God is just a "brute fact" or "must have existed" I find intolerably strange. You're saying that it makes more sense for an incredibly complex, infinitely intelligent, and all powerful conscious personality to have existed first rather than just the universe by itself? The latter seems like a much more simpler answer.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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#20
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(June 21, 2012 at 12:22 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So, to the Christians here, why does God exist? Please note I'm not asking what caused God to exist. Nor am I asking "who designed or created God?" I'm not trying to frame God in a temporal terms. Merely, why does God exist as opposed to nothing existing?

Also, is it stranger to think of natural reality existing inexplicably by itself or God existing inexplicably by himself?

That is all.
God only knows.
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