Giants

[Drich]

Yes, that pretty much sums up your scholarship, your religion, and everything you have ever posted.

Love you new sig too.

But seriously, what would you have me say? At least i acknowledged your effort, even though it did not merit a serious response. At this point you and your buddy are just name calling with general non specific statements.. Which is fine if this is where you are in life. No judgment here, for i know I had to go through that stage of life too.. i posted the offensive emoticon just to see what you would do and say. I have taken you to your limit on this topic, and I wanted to see what was just past that limit.

As it turns out it is Just an empty appeal to a 'religion' you know very little about. This appeal to my 'christianity' comes in the wake of all of the 4 letter words you have called me and all of the personal insults you have thrown my way, on top of which you were instrumental in getting me ban from that other atheist site. Yet you appeal to mercy and honor when you show/have none.

This is blatant hypocrisy. to act in a way you condemn other for acting. Now that it is established that you are a hypocrite, lets look at your failed understanding of Christianity. Christianity demands that i forgive you as my forgiveness is tied to my forgiveness of others. This forgiveness i have shown you is tied to the fact that i give your biblically based questions the same attention and consideration as anyone else. I start with a clean slate everytime you ask a new biblically based question.

That said Forgiveness does not mean I have to respect or honor you as you honor yourself. Christ illustrates this Himself when dealing with the Pharisees. He was rather harsh with them and dealt with them in a very harsh way not consistent with how they thought they should be 'handled' by this representative of God. There are many examples but Mat 23 has alot of them in one place.

Respect is earned. If you want my respect you have to give to get. There are many people here that started off on the wrong foot with me but I have learned to respect them. You have this opportunity before you as well. For i know there is a deeper reason you followed me to the .org site than just to everyone what little you know about the things you seem to hate. Now the question is will your pride allow you to accept this invitation?

[ElDinero]

Sorry, have you provided evidence for your giants yet? If not, fuck off.

[jonb]

Surely christians have to assert a race of giants, if Goliath was just a large normal human, he would not be structured to be able to move about normally like all sufferers of giantism. As such all that david did was kill a disabled person.

But gods measurements are notoriously elastic, solomon had a pot made 10 round and three across not it would be thought for the making of Pi s.

[Cinjin]

Allow me to pull some of the pictures from the Google Images link that Drich listed as his "evidence" ...



Yep ... mostly pictures of the same two men (not even a half-dozen "giants" can be found). You will also notice that these extremely rare men aren't exactly fit for military action and they certainly aren't about to overcome the debilitating disease that gave them this height. They don't even come close to fitting the description of the terrifying man-killer Goliath that the Bible gives.

Notice any difference? Reality check anyone???




Lets face it. Like every other Bible fairytale, it's very likely Goliath never existed and even if he did, he was probably more like between 6 and 7 feet tall and like all myths - his height grew with the number of years that passed.




Factoid: Sheep are stupid and gullible.

[Drich]

Surely christians have to assert a race of giants, if Goliath was just a large normal human, he would not be structured to be able to move about normally like all sufferers of giantism. As such all that david did was kill a disabled person.

But gods measurements are notoriously elastic, solomon had a pot made 10 round and three across not it would be thought for the making of Pi s.

Goliath was not a member of a race of giants. Goliath was the champion of the Philistine army.

If by disabled you mean to scare and intimidate enitre army of Jewish sodliers I would say you are correct, however I do not agree with your phrasing.
Now the Philistines gathered their armies together to battle, and were gathered at Sochoh, which belongs to Judah; they encamped between Sochoh and Azekah, in Ephes Dammim. 2 And Saul and the men of Israel were gathered together, and they encamped in the Valley of Elah, and drew up in battle array against the Philistines. 3 The Philistines stood on a mountain on one side, and Israel stood on a mountain on the other side, with a valley between them.

4 And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze. 6 And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders. 7 Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver’s beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels; and a shield-bearer went before him. 8 Then he stood and cried out to the armies of Israel, and said to them, “Why have you come out to line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and you the servants of Saul? Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight with me and kill me, then we will be your servants. But if I prevail against him and kill him, then you shall be our servants and serve us.” 10 And the Philistine said, “I defy the armies of Israel this day; give me a man, that we may fight together.” 11 When Saul and all Israel heard these words of the Philistine, they were dismayed and greatly afraid.

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Allow me to pull some of the pictures from the Google Images link that Drich listed as his "evidence" ...

Yep ... mostly pictures of the same two men (not even a half-dozen "giants" can be found). You will also notice that these extremely rare men aren't exactly fit for military action and they certainly aren't about to overcome the debilitating disease that gave them this height. They don't even come close to fitting the description of the terrifying man-killer Goliath that the Bible gives.

Notice any difference? Reality check anyone???

Lets face it. Like every other Bible fairytale, it's very likely Goliath never existed and even if he did, he was probably more like between 6 and 7 feet tall and like all myths - his height grew with the number of years that passed.




Factoid: Sheep are stupid and gullible.

Is that what you had to limit the pictures you were willing to show to two men and illustrations? I counted 5 men and one woman who were on that one page alone. Like it or not Giant people are real. The fact that you can take an actual set of undoctored pictures, and documented facts and still twist them to support the Idea that gaints do not exist shows without doubt who the 'Sheepeople' are here. In Your world, and in the mythos your heart says, nay demands that you believe that Giants do not exist so you can cast this story aside, and you scramble to trivialize and dismiss any facts that do not support what you want/have been told to believe. I feel the embarassment of science and fact worshiper all over the world on this one.

Bottom line. The Op said no man can get to Goliath size. (About 10 ft) Which you also supported when you said the story was most likly about a 6 or 7 foot person. I showed you documantation that stated that we have/had people living recently that approached the 9/10 ft mark. For any person who yeilds to facts, and not faith/belief. These facts lend plausablity to the account of David and Goliath. Something you will not conceed. Now because the Facts speak against you. Your continued belief in the non existance of Giants becomes a matter of personal belief/faith.

Don't look now but you are deep in sheepeople country!
Baaa.. Baaaaa..

[jonb]

4 And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze. 6 And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders. 7 Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver’s beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels; and a shield-bearer went before him. 8 Then he stood and cried out to the armies of Israel, and said to them, “Why have you come out to line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and you the servants of Saul? Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight with me and kill me, then we will be your servants. But if I prevail against him and kill him, then you shall be our servants and serve us.” 10 And the Philistine said, “I defy the armies of Israel this day; give me a man, that we may fight together.” 11 When Saul and all Israel heard these words of the Philistine, they were dismayed and greatly afraid.

I am not disputing that an army lead by god would not crap its pants at the sight of a big guy, but a man of that size just could not troll about normally, and would be to all intensive purposes disabled. See pictures of men above, find out about the disabilitating nature of giantism.


In fact the placement of the spear is a give away, it was obviously used to prop up the poor old bugger. Think the army of god with the ark which destroys all before it (Which must be a more effective weapon than anything NATO has in Afghanistan). Wetting themselves until some delinquent teenage shepherd does over a cripple:- What am I supposed to lean from this?

[Drich]

4 And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze. 6 And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders. 7 Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver’s beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels; and a shield-bearer went before him. 8 Then he stood and cried out to the armies of Israel, and said to them, “Why have you come out to line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and you the servants of Saul? Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight with me and kill me, then we will be your servants. But if I prevail against him and kill him, then you shall be our servants and serve us.” 10 And the Philistine said, “I defy the armies of Israel this day; give me a man, that we may fight together.” 11 When Saul and all Israel heard these words of the Philistine, they were dismayed and greatly afraid.

I am not disputing that an army lead by god would not crap its pants at the sight of a big guy, but a man of that size just could not troll about normally, and would be to all intensive purposes disabled. See pictures of men above, find out about the disabilitating nature of giantism.

Not nessarily true. there are 13 known cases of people living to be larger than 8ft tall. Not all were plagued with disablity. some lived a normal time span, and a functional life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people

[Cyberman]

So now a whole race of giants in a story has become a baker's dozen of real-world people tall enough to be medically noteworthy. Interesting. By the same token, Warwick Davis was a real Ewok.

[Drich]

So now a whole race of giants in a story has become a baker's dozen of real-world people tall enough to be medically noteworthy. Interesting. By the same token, Warwick Davis was a real Ewok.

I have already pointed out that Goliath was one Man. I posted the passage in 1 Sam that stated He was the Philistine Champion Meaning He was one of one.

Even the pictures the cjin posted showed Goliath towering over his peers in the Philistine army.

[jonb]

I put in a new para in the previous post, I did not think you would respond so quickly.

Basket ball yes a catch drop merchant can be useful but does not have stamina. Professional wrestling come on its all about show. There is a difference between looking powerful and being so.

But There is also a limit on how effective a heart among other things is to provide a body, and as size goes up effectiveness goes down.

Actually just go and stand in the middle of an elite regiment of soldiers, I think you will be surprised how short they are.

9 foot the man is a cripple.

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Even the pictures the cjin posted showed Goliath towering over his peers in the Philistine army.

If that painting is proof so must this be