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Heretic's defiance!
#11
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 2:55 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I want to know if you wrote that poem.  It's pretty good.

Yeah, I wrote it when I was a Deist.
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#12
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(July 19, 2012 at 6:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Say Islam was true
And I was a Jew
Would God torture me
For what I did not see?

In the name of justice
Pain as the flames burn
Days turn into weeks
Weeks into years
All for disbelief
I will have no relief

Billions of years pass by
Justice is still not served
All good is rejected
My good actions are ineffective
And I would not burn if my mind was reflective?

This is the creed that I use to follow
But now I realize such a creed is shallow
Whomever desires other than the true religion
Let him burn in the fire?!
As oppose to loving him, having compassion for him
Appreciating his good,
Honouring his struggles,
Being his friend,
No! No! That is not the way!

For God is enemy of those whom disbelieve!
Friend and Protector of those whom believe!
All are reduced to the lowest of the low!
Except - of course - for those all special and great believers!
Everyone but them, to hell they go!

All astray souls - be prepared for increasing burning!
For none but the guided will have peace!
Is that the remembrance that is suppose to bring ease?
Peace you say?
Bowing Five times a day!
To a Lord whom will watch humans burn in agony?
Having the believers laugh at them for the sake of an irony?

A Lord whom tortures everyone but the righteous guided?
A Lord whom loves not the disbelievers!
Hates them with a strong hatred!
And all this teachings is suppose to be sacred?

Most Merciful, Most Compassionate is he called by all!
But threatens all to hell, except those whom respond to the call?
If you have to be righteous to enter heaven.
What mercy was ever spread in creation?
Or is God accepting regret from a righteous person
Truly a show of ultra mercy, forgiveness, and compassion?
As if it's not justice to accept his regret and reformation!

At the end, O Lord of Islam!
If you are to burn me for this heresy
Then you truly were not a Lord of Mercy.
Not Worthy of Worship, not worth anyone's time.

No fucking way? Did you write this?

Seriously I am not going to bitch, I LOVE the last line!

Was it my big "wet sloppy wet kiss and hug" comment in the other thread?

You are sooooooo close if you mean this. 

Take one more step buddy. I know you still want a God to exist. Christians do too. Jews do too. I find LOTS of good in the empathetic left that see their respective God in their claims of non violence, and I love that part. But I will still say the same to you that I do with the likes of Catholic Lady or any liberal Jew. I hear your desires all of you, for peace and non violence. I love every liberal for that desire, but to me, our species behaviors are not handed down to us, but in us.

I don't want you going off the deep end with this either. I don't want you thinking now that you are questioning your religion, that that is a licence for lawlessness or violence to believers. I just want you to question. I want you to see what I see. That it REALLY WILL be ok if you come to the conclusion that a god does not exist. That humans can do good and be good regardless. 

There is no "creed" to me or loyalty to even my fellow atheists. My "creed" is to non violence and common law even if you piss me off or I piss you off. 

I promise you there is no Allah to burn you, no Jesus to threaten Christians with Hell either. Just as there was never a Hawaiian Volcano god Pele to threaten Hawaiians to stay in line. 

You are good person because you are good, our goodness is in us, not old books, our goodness is not handed down to us.
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#13
RE: Heretic's defiance!
You wrote god a nastygram about breaking up, you've since made up.  Happens all the time.  What's to discuss?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#14
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You wrote god a nastygram about breaking up, you've since made up.  Happens all the time.  What's to discuss?

There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.

I think thinking emotionally, we can do away with justice. But when thinking with clarity, there is no escaping that we are coming to either an evil end or a good end.

And this shows I don't believe in hell due to Islam but rather belief in hell is necessary for me to believe in Islam.  

The belief in religion is not non-falsifiable, one wrong teaching proven with certainty, and everything comes crumbling down.

And the proof for a religion without a present manifest Guide to present physical miracles is tough on everyone for sure.

I feel if I can prove why I believe in hell, people will gain a lot of insight on to reflect over scripture and religions, whether they believe in them or not.

Or at least give both sides their proper due in reflection.
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#15
RE: Heretic's defiance!
Quote: There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.

I reject islam because it is silly, primitive, bullshit.  Just like all other religions.

There are no invisible sky-daddies, son.  Deal with it and move on with your life.  It's the only one you get.
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#16
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote: There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.

I reject islam because it is silly, primitive, bullshit.  Just like all other religions.

There are no invisible sky-daddies, son.  Deal with it and move on with your life.  It's the only one you get.

You have created your own standards of what is silly I am sure.  Yes anyone can create their own paradigm for judging and do away with the truth, but when you are willing to really sincerely reflect over religion and scriptures, let me know.
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#17
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 22, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You wrote god a nastygram about breaking up, you've since made up.  Happens all the time.  What's to discuss?

There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.

I think thinking emotionally, we can do away with justice. But when thinking with clarity, there is no escaping that we are coming to either an evil end or a good end.

And this shows I don't believe in hell due to Islam but rather belief in hell is necessary for me to believe in Islam.  

The belief in religion is not non-falsifiable, one wrong teaching proven with certainty, and everything comes crumbling down.

And the proof for a religion without a present manifest Guide to present physical miracles is tough on everyone for sure.

I feel if I can prove why I believe in hell, people will gain a lot of insight on to reflect over scripture and religions, whether they believe in them or not.

Or at least give both sides their proper due in reflection.

MK, the word "hell" isn't unique to Islam, or Christianity, even Jews had the word "Hati" which meant "trash dump".

But even in much older polytheism, worldwide much older than those three above, humans made up their own concepts of reward in the after life and punishment in the afterlife. Even the Ancient Egyptians had the sun God, Ra siting next to Osiris and Horus in judgment of every living being in the afterlife.

I wish you would not self inflict yourself with such needless mental torture. Just like I wish Catholic Lady would not torture herself with the Christian version of "hell". I wish Buddhists and Hindus would not torture themselves with the idea of reincarnation, where you come back in the next life worse off if you do bad, or better off in the next life if you do good.


I wish more humans worldwide would accept that all we have is now, and to do good and be good now, is all humans have. I know I wont get that utopia religion free world. But I do wish more humans would not make religion such a focus on global politics.

The universe is 13.8 billion years old. The universe has an estimated 2 TRILLION galaxies in it. I don't see a magic hand above having any hand in all this. I simply see otherwise decent humans being sold bad logic from birth before they can develop critical thinking skills.

"Hell" is not an act of correction or containment. "Hell" as depicted by both Christians and Muslims is one of revenge. Empathy is when others make mistakes you give them a second chance. Empathy is even in war, when you defeat your enemy, you don't commit genocide, you pick them up and offer them a better path forward. 

I don't find the concept of being tortured forever empathetic or compassionate. I see it as narcissistic and petty and jealous. "Hell" is the same mental abuse that works on an abused spouse. "If you stay, and kiss my ass, I wont hurt you. But if you chose to leave, even in a non violent way, I will follow you and hurt you and murder you.". That is not reason, that is revenge.

I hate Donald Trump with a passion. But, if he got impeached, or went to prison, I would not want guards or other prisoners torturing him every day, even if he never learned his lesson. The only thing revenge satisfies is ones own emotions. It never solves anything, that is why I hate the concept of hell.
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#18
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.
I don't believe in fairies.  It's that simple.  

Quote:I think thinking emotionally, we can do away with justice. But when thinking with clarity, there is no escaping that we are coming to either an evil end or a good end.

And this shows I don't believe in hell due to Islam but rather belief in hell is necessary for me to believe in Islam.  

The belief in religion is not non-falsifiable, one wrong teaching proven with certainty, and everything comes crumbling down.
.....lol, obviously not.  You continue to believe and so does every other believer.    

Quote:And the proof for a religion without a present manifest Guide to present physical miracles is tough on everyone for sure.

I feel if I can prove why I believe in hell, people will gain a lot of insight on to reflect over scripture and religions, whether they believe in them or not.

Or at least give both sides their proper due in reflection.
I don't care why you believe in hell.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#19
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:31 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I reject islam because it is silly, primitive, bullshit.  Just like all other religions.

There are no invisible sky-daddies, son.  Deal with it and move on with your life.  It's the only one you get.

You have created your own standards of what is silly I am sure.  Yes anyone can create their own paradigm for judging and do away with the truth, but when you are willing to really sincerely reflect over religion and scriptures, let me know.

Don't hold your breath.  I have better things to do than discuss fairy tales with the insane.
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#20
RE: Heretic's defiance!
(October 22, 2017 at 3:21 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 22, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You wrote god a nastygram about breaking up, you've since made up.  Happens all the time.  What's to discuss?

There is a lot to be discussed, because, this is a central theme of why people reject Islam from my experience.

I think thinking emotionally, we can do away with justice. But when thinking with clarity, there is no escaping that we are coming to either an evil end or a good end.

And this shows I don't believe in hell due to Islam but rather belief in hell is necessary for me to believe in Islam.  

The belief in religion is not non-falsifiable, one wrong teaching proven with certainty, and everything comes crumbling down.

And the proof for a religion without a present manifest Guide to present physical miracles is tough on everyone for sure.

I feel if I can prove why I believe in hell, people will gain a lot of insight on to reflect over scripture and religions, whether they believe in them or not.

Or at least give both sides their proper due in reflection.


I'm not willing to have a discussion with you in which I argue you were right then and off your rocker now.  Given that you are now off your rocker, I can't win.  Also, it isn't reasonable to ask this.  You're an adult and responsible for your own choices.  Persuading you to go with what you wrote then and leave your present belief isn't my idea of a good time. 

So no because I can't win, it's your own fucking responsibility and wouldn't be an enjoyable use of my finite lifetime.
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