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Presuppositional Fallacies
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Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm
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"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm (This post was last modified: August 12, 2012 at 12:41 pm by Anomalocaris.)
Presuppositional apologetics:

Jesus must be true on a level more transcendent, in some nebulous and yet surely overwhelming way, than any contrary argument cuz I believe in Jesus and I am right!
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm (This post was last modified: August 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm by Whateverist.)
Very nice to have them laid out so plain like this.

(August 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: God-Verb-It:
OK, this technically isn't a logical fallacy but presenting it as an "explanation" for anything should be.

Probably handled by "bare assertion" with a dash of "special pleading". Maybe this should be filed as a subset of "bare assertion" under a heading of 'Remarkably naive & unnuanced'.
(August 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Chuck Wrote: Presuppositional apologetics:

Jesus must be true on a level more transcendent, in some nebulous and yet surely overwhelming way, than any contrary argument cuz I believe in Jesus and I am right!

Or, my favorite,

How could humans conceive of "the most perfect" if there wasn't necessarily a "most perfect being" .. who would not only enable that category to exist but would also, single handedly, be responsible for the creation of everything there is or ever was. As a surprise bonus, this being would also have carved out a corner of his most perfectness where we can sing his praises for eternity, while every other animal on the planet who is born to a mother shall continue to disappear entirely in a natural death. We are truly blessed.

What a powerful idea! Spread the good news!
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Would a strawman fallacy fit in here?
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm
(August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Would a strawman fallacy fit in here?

It might, except for the fact that we've heard these very arguments time after time.
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm
(August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Would a strawman fallacy fit in here?

I'd say you've just proven it can.
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm (This post was last modified: August 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm by catfish.)
(August 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Would a strawman fallacy fit in here?

It might, except for the fact that we've heard these very arguments time after time.

Well, not all Christians believe that Jesus is God...


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"None of the other gods can account for the laws of logic. They're not real. They're just made up. But Jesus, he's real."
(August 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm)whateverist Wrote:
(August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm)catfish Wrote: Would a strawman fallacy fit in here?

I'd say you've just proven it can.

I'd say you don't know the difference between an assertion and a question...
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm
(August 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm)catfish Wrote:
(August 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'd say you've just proven it can.

I'd say you don't know the difference between an assertion and a question...

Some speech acts are wolves in sheep's clothing.
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I believe that the OP was saying that these are fallacious arguments are often used in apologetics, not that they were used by all Christians.

So I'd have to say the strawman is in your corner.
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RE: Presuppositional Fallacies
August 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Wow, you guys need to learn the definition of a strawman I think.
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