The Religious and the fascination with the illuminati and a NWO

[Gooders1002]

Well you do have a point but suffering is something that will always be there, is sad but the honest truth whether it is physical or mental, self inflicted or has an outside cause. this world needs to get rid of it human parasites as there making it more crap for everybody. I believe the Government it's purely there to protect the people, not control or restrict them. and protect them from invaders and criminals that would seek to stop anybody making a free choice to do or not do something that do/don't want to do.
Current governments of any nation, are not doing that they doing more then what they need to do, no government should seek to start a war or in any way restrict is people with laws that seem over protective or controlling, to be neutral when it comes to religion and not except bribes or coercition that would only befit a few and be at a cost to many for selfish reasons. Also a Government should be controlled by is people, not the other way around.
At the moment the worlds government are controlled by parasites which seek to make its people suffer in some form and say its helping. Some are worst then others.
There is a alot of wrong in the world, and until government start behaving like they should, there will be more suffering and all we can do it one day they will get it.

Well, protection arises from a certain level of restriction. If there were no restrictions, governments would not exist, and we would live in a state of anarchy, in which no one would be safe.
And governments are of course, controlled by their people, but also are given powers by the people to exert a certain amount of control over the people.
In that regard, governments are not a seperate thing from the people they govern, and people are not seperate from the government they make up. As such, a well maintained public order, along with social progams that allow for social progress, and steady readily available supply of basic things like food, shelter and water, along with free education, and even free electricity mean social stability. These are what countries, nations and their governments should aspire to. Can I give my people free water, food and shelter while not draining them dry? Can I install such efficient electricity generation systems as to provide my people with it? Can I make education freely available to those who want to have a better life standart and serve their people in the future?

In short, friend, social order is not easily kept in check. It requires a fairly good distribution of national resources, but also requires that any harmful effects on society besides crime, that said, things that drive people to become lazy, or become too preoccpuied with themselves, or simply disregard society for personal pleasures, while ignoring public interests.
Such things include things like drugs, alcohol, gambling, excessive media control over the public, stupifying popular culture, egocentrism and consumerism.
Any country and a good government should try to minimize the effect of these on the public.

That may be be I can't see a drink now and then is a bad thing, of-course there's overdoing it but it is self punishing. Have you thought that if the government controls less the people will have to get off there ass to do it?
Also if you ever been to the USA or UK (maybe) you will find the government is not controlled by the people but by selfish companies and major religions though lobby groups, and the presidency is almost bought in the USA. So no, no current government is controlled by it's people, its controlled by a some number of rich selfish jerks, who want to screw over as many people as possible. Any good government should let people do what they want to there selves as long as it is not affecting anybody else, how ever it should protect its people from thief's, murderers, rapists ect

[cratehorus]

Whenever I speak to a Christian or Muslim about religion most of the time that on about the 'secret' illuminati cult controlled by the Rothschild's and some sort of New World Order and It puzzles me that if there is some big conspiracy then why is it that only the religious seem to care and it scares them as much as global warming scares me.
And if the conspiracy is true, it is the worst kept secret since the Chinese secret aircraft carrier, being built. Also if it is I am sure some sort of forced investigation could be made. but its probably all bullshit from religious wackos.
I would like your thoughts and a complete debunk (the myth), if you can.

It's an old Nazi conspiracy started by Hitler, he wrote something called the protocols of zion, which was suppose to be a secret document created by jews to rule the world, this was widely accepted as fact in Hitler's Germany.

It's where most of this NWO, Illuminati, Zionism conspiracy bullshit comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoco...rs_of_Zion

[jonb]

Any group that identifies it'self as a group will seek to further its own needs and desires. Consequently if the people at the top of society identify themselves as aristocrats or the meritocracy they will work to empower that group.That is not conspiracy it is just the natural way groups of people work.

Also if you have a set of people who believe that the way to sort out human affairs is to put a strong man in charge, and a strong man is put in-charge and he does not sort out all the problems, they are forced to come up with an explanation why it did not work.

An easy way of doing that is to say either he was evil, or there are an evil group as powerful as him working against him.

It is no surprise to me conspiracy theories are strongest in places where the belief in the strong man is prevalent.

First men invented a god to sort out their problems, and then a devil to explain why it did not happen.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's an old Nazi conspiracy started by Hitler, he wrote something called the protocols of zion, which was suppose to be a secret document created by jews to rule the world, this was widely accepted as fact in Hitler's Germany.

It's where most of this NWO, Illuminati, Zionism conspiracy bullshit comes from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoco...rs_of_Zion

I wasn't aware that Hitler was alive and in the publishing business in Russia...in 1903.....

[discordianpope]

It's all a load of bullshit, in my opinion. Why would the most wealthy and powerful people in the world need a conspiracy to guide the policies of the governments of the world - it all already happens out in the open. Like Murdoch or the Rothschilds need some hooded robes, secret handshakes and a giant owl god in order to pursuade politicians to enact their prefered policies.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

It's an old Nazi conspiracy started by Hitler, he wrote something called the protocols of zion,

Not quite.

"The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion" was first published in Russia in 1903.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protoco...rs_of_Zion

[chisto]

My Christian friend has heavily researched the Illuminati and he reckons they're the opposite of Christians i.e. the dark side. He says they worship Lucifer and the perks of that is that they can transform into animals.

This version of the Illuminati debunks itself purely from the description of it. It's absolute bullcrap.

But if this where true, wouldn't the world be full of Illuminati instead of Christians? Transformation into animals? Sweet!

[The Grand Nudger]

IF two sides are rightful, the only way to settle things is war, either by covert means or by means of cold steel.

....................yeah, fuck diplomacy, start shooting.