Why Does Atheism and Left-Wing Politics Usually Go Together?

[popeyespappy]

Pop: on the 16th amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

"We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution."

Notice how it says it shall have the power, not the obligation (it is not required). I really don't see how the American Libertarian Party is being at all contradictory here.

Because they are calling for the abolishment of all social services and safety nets not required by the Constitution. There are no social services and safety nets required by the Constitution. Therefore the libertarian party is calling for all of them to be abolished. However, the same constitution grants congress the power to tax in order to provide for the general welfare. It gives congress the right to decide what social services and safety nets are needed to provide for the general welfare and authorizes them to fund those programs through taxation.

The libertarian party is trying to use the constitution to eliminate all federally funded social services and safety nets even though the same constitution grants congress the power to establish those programs and fund them through taxation.

[jonb]

No libertarian proposes the abolishment of all social services. We propose that they are left to private businesses and charities to control, rather than the government.

The problems with this are, you end up with nice middle class people making often uninformed decisions on who is or is not worthy. The deserving and undeserving poor. If you only allow medical criteria so doctors have to decide, the problem is that mental illness is not a black and white issue and as such it will throw up horrible inconsistencies. It would be nice if everybody fitted in nice neat criteria, but they don't, and they change.

This is the problem with agenda driven politics of both the right and left, it would be nice if we could divide the good from the bad, but actually it is very hard if not impossible to find any clear division. And as such the administration becomes completely arbitrary. For me personally I tend to think a better approach is to concentrate on how a system is administered. To my mind it is one of the real problems with the UK there is a concentration on pulling to right or left, but the actual job of administration is done woefully badly by all parties.

[AthiestAtheist]

The Democrats are officially the political party that hates God, as could be seen when they booed God at the Democratic National Convention.

And we all have had such wonderful experiences with political parties that hate God.

Like the Nazis and the Communists.

Half the Democrats booed God, and the other half cheered for him. The Democrats are a diverse party.

Also, the Nazis were Christian.

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Well, if you vote Democratic this year you are voting for another four years of high unemployment, business failures, mortgage foreclosures, and out of control spending.

But I guess that's ok with you to keep some kid from praying in school.

So we should vote for the same result under a Republican president... because God, right?

[cratehorus]

Well, if you vote Democratic this year you are voting for another four years of high unemployment, business failures, mortgage foreclosures, and out of control spending.

But I guess that's ok with you to keep some kid from praying in school.

So we should vote for the same result under a Republican president... because God, right?

He can't hear you, the OP committed suicide, days ago http://atheistforums.org/thread-15025-po...#pid342174

Please keep this discussion on topic,

Thank you