please help A christian has stumped me on this one.

[pgrimes15]

i meant the names add up no matter what number you start with. I made A = 1 b=2 C=3 D=4 ETC ETC ETC
AND the jesus = 74 jewish =74 cross=74 messiah=74 make a choice=74 gematria = 74 etc etc etc. when we change the a to 6 and b becomes 12 etc etc the number obviously becomes 74 x 6 which is 444 and so do the rest. do you see whats driving me crazy. the names so closely related to jesus will always be the same number. ALWAYS AAAAHHHHH Breaks the reasoning of mathematics. probability speaking

Multiply all the values assigned to letters by the same number - in this case 6 - and all the words that previously matched still match. This is schoolboy maths and if you are impressed with it my advice is never to play poker for real money.

Regards

Grimesy

[Angrboda]

It's not entirely clear what you mean by, "so astronomical that it just cannot happen," but it sounds like the typical "even if you rolled the dice a million times a second, it would take a million times the potential age of the universe to occur just once" sort of probability (Ala Dembski's 1.0x10^-150 upper limit). First off, this is a misunderstanding of basic probability. No matter how slim the odds of the winning ticket in a lottery being the first ticket purchased, there is nothing in physics or math to prevent it from happening. Sometimes, these odds are interpreted as, "on average, it would take N zillion zillion zillion years." But we don't care how long "on average" (which is a frequentist interpretation of probability, applied over a series of trials); we want to know if it happened at all. And there is nothing so improbable that it can't happen, unless it's impossible; and that's a different number. (There's a related mistake, basically the inverse, that suggests that if an event is sufficiently probable, then it's certain to happen. No. Probable never leaps the gap to certain, no matter how probable.) Moreover, if you're calculating probability in reference to the universe as a whole, even defining probability becomes problematic. (Or I should say, "more problematic," as it's not fish in a barrel in every day probability, either.)

A man walking along a street is killed by a tile blown off a roof by the wind. We attribute this ... to the operation of blind natural laws and forces, without any special design on the part of anyone. Yet the chances against that event happening were almost infinite. The man might have been, at the moment the tile fell, a foot away from the spot on the sidewalk on which the tile fell, or two feet away, or twenty feet away, or a mile away. He might have been at a million other places on the surface of the earth. Or the tile might have fallen at a million other moments than the moment in which it did fall. Yet in spite of the almost infinite improbability of that happening, we do not find it necessary to suppose that someone threw the tile down from the roof on purpose .. We are quite satisfied to attribute the event to ... the operation of natural forces.

— H.T. Stace, quoted in Atheism: The Case Against God, George H. Smith.

[The Grand Nudger]

Still going on about your lucky numbers are you OP?

[pgrimes15]

i meant the names add up no matter what number you start with. I made A = 1 b=2 C=3 D=4 ETC ETC ETC
AND the jesus = 74 jewish =74 cross=74 messiah=74 make a choice=74 gematria = 74 etc etc etc. when we change the a to 6 and b becomes 12 etc etc the number obviously becomes 74 x 6 which is 444 and so do the rest. do you see whats driving me crazy. the names so closely related to jesus will always be the same number. ALWAYS AAAAHHHHH Breaks the reasoning of mathematics. probability speaking

If you decide to assign values of a=6 b=12 c=18, etc. it is possible to get a superficially impressive list of biblically related words and phrases from the presumably enormous group of words that add up to 666. It would be interesting to see if a similarly impressive list could be picked from words totalling, say, 584, but I have not found a calculator or application that will provide this information. Plenty that will do it the other way round - enter a word and you get the number - but none where you enter the number and get a list of words. Sadly I haven't got time to wade through the dictionary with a pocket calculator.
Anyone know of such a facility ?

Regards

Grimesy

[Angrboda]

"The various modes of worship which prevailed in the Roman world were all considered by the people as equally true; by the philosopher as equally false; and by the magistrate as equally useful."

— Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. I, ch. II. (here) (It's worth reading it in context.)



(It is frequently attributed, in the form you gave, to Seneca the Younger, and also Lucretius. There appears to be some mystery as to the correct attribution of the shorter version, assuming it is sourcable.)

[pgrimes15]

This link http://www.gematrix.org/?word=666 provided by Tiberius only gives the "reverse" result (give number and get list of words) for a limited selection of numbers, but one of them was 600 from which I picked the following list :-

I AM CHRIST
LORD OF PEACE
GOD BEAUTY
MARIA MAGDALENA
JESUS GOD
SHIBBOLETH
METHUSALA
SATANIC MAGIC
DEMONIC BEING

This suggests to me that any number large enough to grant an adequate selection of letters can be used to cherry pick significant seeming lists if you are determined enough.

Regards

Grimesy

[Tiberius]

222
Flame
Hell
Hades

888
Eternal Kingdom
Jesus Gospel
The Passover
Jesus Cross
Gods Anointing
Saved In Jesus
Spirit Birth
...etc

Still think these numbers are important?

[Darkstar]

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Um, yeah, that's suppose to happen. This is nothing unexpected.

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222
Flame
Hell
Hades

888
Eternal Kingdom
Jesus Gospel
The Passover
Jesus Cross
Gods Anointing
Saved In Jesus
Spirit Birth
...etc

Still think these numbers are important?

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Just wondering, why are some of your posts comprised exclusively of other people's posts?

[franca]

wow holy spirit and jesus christ have the same value this really must have been set up by god. This guy is now sending me stuff that C.S. LEWIS wrote and he is def not a nutball, hes an ex atheist who is a genius. Oh yeah he told me that Sir Isacc Newton believed the bible and time life magazine called him the greatest scientific thinker of our time. he built a huge solar system in his house and when people said wow " what you built , that is nice" he said " I didnt build it.' they asked " where did you buy it ' he said " I didnt buy it " they said " then how did it get there " He said " it just appeared "

[Annik]

This is stupid. The fact that you think you can trick us is stupid. You honestly think we haven't come across this gag before? "Oh! I was an atheist, but now this anecdotal bullshit that would never convince any person alone proved to me God is real!"

Who the fuck cares if Newton was a Christian, an atheist or a believer in Ra? His scientific/mathematical achievements are staggering.