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GET OUT THE VOTE!
#11
RE: GET OUT THE VOTE!
Romney just parrots Obama on Foreign Policy, Fiscally and Socially they're very different. At least I think so. Romney flip flops so much it's hard to tell what he actually supports at any one given moment.
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#12
RE: GET OUT THE VOTE!
(October 26, 2012 at 11:48 am)festive1 Wrote:
(October 26, 2012 at 11:44 am)TaraJo Wrote: Although, in a long-term sense, part of me hopes Romney wins though. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with anything on the Republican platform, but Romney is a centrist, too. If him winning the election can bring the Republican party back from the brink of insanity and turn them from the crazy party that's talking about legitimate rape into a reasonable party that I may still disagree with, I'm all for it. I worry that if Romney looses, which seems pretty likely according to most polls, in the next election the Republicans will nominate some far right whack-job, he'll win and he'll drag the Republican party even further to the right.

I don't think Romney has exhibited enough spine to stand up to his own party, even if he is elected.

Yeah, honestly, it's really hard to tell that. It will also be hard to tell how he'll respond when/if the Democrats take back congress; will he be spineless then, and let them fix what Bush fucked up and what Obama has been damn low about fixing? Or will he suddenly grow spine and stand up for the millionaires when we want them to pay an extra 2% on their taxes?

I could probably get a better idea of what Romney in charge would be like if I looked up what his governorship of Mass was like. Candidates have to flip flop a lot to win elections, so it's really damn near impossible to tell where they really stand on the issues.
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#13
RE: GET OUT THE VOTE!
(October 26, 2012 at 11:55 am)8BitAtheist Wrote: Romney just parrots Obama on Foreign Policy, Fiscally and Socially they're very different. At least I think so. Romney flip flops so much it's hard to tell what he actually supports at any one given moment.

That is true of course and I continually find it astonishing that conservatives support this guy because he is such an obvious phony. I guess it is enough that he is white.
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#14
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All the bitching about Romney is great, but do it also POLITELY at any Swing State media newspaper, TV, radio websites and or message boards. Twitter and Facebook too. Don't just do it here.

Vote if you live in the states and volunteer ESPECIALLY if you live in a swing state.
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#15
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(October 26, 2012 at 11:44 am)TaraJo Wrote: I'm starting to see that old meme of "both candidates are pretty much the same" come up. Personally, I disagree with it.

Good for you.

(October 26, 2012 at 11:44 am)TaraJo Wrote: Although, in a long-term sense, part of me hopes Romney wins though.

That's your thinking part. Pay attention to it.

These two candidates have very different visions for what they want America to be, and very different capabilities to get us there. Don't buy any of the "they're both the same" BS.
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#16
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(October 26, 2012 at 11:44 am)TaraJo Wrote: I'm starting to see that old meme of "both candidates are pretty much the same" come up. Personally, I disagree with it. The last time I remember this many people trying to claim that both candidates were basically the same was in 2000. Because of that meme, Dubya was elected and look what he did: ran a budget surplus into a record budget deficit, stated two wars, one unnecessary the other avoidable if he had paid better attention to his intelligence briefings, alienating most of our foreign allies, high ranking government positions given exclusively to cronies even if they're incompetent (like Mike Brown), laisse Faire capitalism combined with big government bailouts...... As much as I'm not fond of centrist Obama, I'm well aware that Romney can make things much worse.

Although, in a long-term sense, part of me hopes Romney wins though. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with anything on the Republican platform, but Romney is a centrist, too. If him winning the election can bring the Republican party back from the brink of insanity and turn them from the crazy party that's talking about legitimate rape into a reasonable party that I may still disagree with, I'm all for it. I worry that if Romney looses, which seems pretty likely according to most polls, in the next election the Republicans will nominate some far right whack-job, he'll win and he'll drag the Republican party even further to the right.

Quote:Although, in a long-term sense, part of me hopes Romney wins though. Don't get me wrong,I don't agree with anything on the Republican platform, but Romney is a centrist, too.

What planet are you living on? His VP supported legislation banning abortion even in cases of rape. When he was in the primaries he blasted Obama for prefering deplomacy before force on forgien policy issues. His former company Bane shipped jobs overseas and even now Bane is closing another business.

17 of Romney's current campaing advisors WERE part of the Bush Administration. Romney is a centrist like Palistinians are Jews.

Now, if you just started paying attention then YES, but this crap with the last debate till now is just a fucking act. He touted all the uber right wing crap and he KNEW before his nomination he wouldn't win and so did the GOP, so they told him to pull this act to make himself seem like one.

Romney is a flat out lying sack of shit.
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#17
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(October 26, 2012 at 11:07 am)Tiberius Wrote: Note that despite my dislike of Obama over what he has done, my post is in no way an endorsement of Romney. Both men are pathetic.

But you can't possibly believe both men will seek the same things if elected, which one of them surely will be. No one has any clue what Romney will do if elected as he has voiced both sides of nearly every policy choice at one time or another, depending upon who he was addressing. There is every reason to think he will fall back on the same deadly mix of deregulation and trickle-down which worked so well under Bush. There is also no way to rule out an itchy trigger finger when it comes to Iran. He certainly has said plenty to indicate he would be tougher and quicker to put boots on the ground than Obama.

Romney as the president WOULD be vastly worse, except perhaps for trust-fund babies.
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#18
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I do not like the way things are going in this country. Politics has become a 'career' option. Everyone is in it for the money and the people are just pawns in their wake.

I always vote against the incumbent. We have the opportunity to completely change our government every four years.

The biggest problem is congress. Some of those congressmen have been there a long time.

Politics is not a profession, it is a service to the people and the country. Let us try to clean it up and keep it fresh.

Vote anti-incumbent. You get to vote them out next time when you vote anti-incumbent again.
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#19
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(October 26, 2012 at 8:03 pm)IATIA Wrote: I do not like the way things are going in this country. Politics has become a 'career' option. Everyone is in it for the money and the people are just pawns in their wake.

I always vote against the incumbent. We have the opportunity to completely change our government every four years.

The biggest problem is congress. Some of those congressmen have been there a long time.

Politics is not a profession, it is a service to the people and the country. Let us try to clean it up and keep it fresh.

Vote anti-incumbent. You get to vote them out next time when you vote anti-incumbent again.

Yea, Obama is in it for the money, because Obamacare is so popular with the insurance companies and he has investments in all the insurance companies and insurance company super pacs giving money to him. OH WAIT, the insurance companies are funding Romney's camp.

No, democrats get accused of being bought too. No, while some big business donates to them even OBAMA SAID just yesterday that he thought all the funding of campains EVEN HIS was absurd. He only takes it because he has to to compete with Romney, and he hated the Citizens United ruling. If Obama was out for money why denounce it?

And dems always strongly support things that don't make money, like public projects, worker training, PBS, food stamps, unemployment benifits, workers unions. And some rich people DO support those things too, just not enough at the level of the Koch Brothers.

Dems are carreer politicians yes, and to be fair, even with that we should have term limits. BUT they do and have constantly fought for the middle class and working poor.

Only one party is bought. When dems raise money, they are for the commonwealth, not the common wealthy.
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#20
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(October 26, 2012 at 7:29 pm)whateverist Wrote: But you can't possibly believe both men will seek the same things if elected, which one of them surely will be. No one has any clue what Romney will do if elected as he has voiced both sides of nearly every policy choice at one time or another, depending upon who he was addressing. There is every reason to think he will fall back on the same deadly mix of deregulation and trickle-down which worked so well under Bush. There is also no way to rule out an itchy trigger finger when it comes to Iran. He certainly has said plenty to indicate he would be tougher and quicker to put boots on the ground than Obama.

Romney as the president WOULD be vastly worse, except perhaps for trust-fund babies.
The choice is not between a man who will continue to spy and assassinate American citizens, and a man who flip-flops on policies. There are many other candidates.

Romney as president would be vastly worse, I agree. Obama however, will be the same, or worse if he continues his campaign against basic civil rights. This is why I support third party candidates.
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