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Science vs. Religion
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Science vs. Religion
Here's something I've been thinking about recently:
I hear a lot of people say that science and religion can coexist peacefully but I'm not so sure. I'd like to know what you guys think about it. It seems like religion/religious people will say you're interpreting their "evidence" wrong and it is a non deniable fact. Science is self correcting and will use the most recent information. Religion is also based on faith when science is based on evidence and data. I think science acting as a religion would stop all progress. Any thoughts?
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Science is destroying religion and its bullshit lie by lie.

So no, the two cannot co-exist.
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I don't even know what science acting as a religion even means, quite frankly. Religions rely on the fact that their tenets, dogma, 'teachings' etc are fixed and unchanging. Science is constantly moving and changing as it finds new things to discover. While people can become dogmatic about science to the point where it can seem like worship, that only weakens the definition of "worship" such that football, Star Trek and money become religions.
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(November 10, 2012 at 9:24 pm)Ocato Wrote: Here's something I've been thinking about recently:
I hear a lot of people say that science and religion can coexist peacefully but I'm not so sure. I'd like to know what you guys think about it. It seems like religion/religious people will say you're interpreting their "evidence" wrong and it is a non deniable fact. Science is self correcting and will use the most recent information. Religion is also based on faith when science is based on evidence and data. I think science acting as a religion would stop all progress. Any thoughts?
No decent scientist lets their beliefs bias their study. We have a very prominent astrophysicist who is a member of our Church. In fact he just won the 2012 PM's Prize for Science.

The Bible is not a book of science, and Christianity isn't about science. Just like science isn't a book of religion. It is truly sad that people look for answers in science. Science isn't about providing answers, it's about theory, modelling and predictability.
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(November 11, 2012 at 5:39 am)Daniel Wrote: It is truly sad that people look for answers in science.

And it is even sadder when people think they have found the answer in a stone age book full of murder and hatred
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Science often conflicts with religion logically but it's possible for the two to not conflict that way. You have to make your interpretation of your religion unfalsifiable though.
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(November 11, 2012 at 5:39 am)Daniel Wrote: It is truly sad that people look for answers in science. Science isn't about providing answers, it's about theory, modelling and predictability.

ähhhh what? The entire purpose of science is to provide answeres.
Models and Theories are only part of the process which leads to answeres.
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No, it leads to PREDICTABILITY, not answers.
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I find that people can rationalise anything given enough time.

If they want to believe something then they will invent a scenerio in which they can seem to be reasonable and still believe in the unresonable.

One thing I have found with theists that there is always a "but what if....." get out of jail free card they can play.



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Predictability? Isn`t that in essence an answere?
Why does the sun go arround the earth? The gravitational force of the sun which has more matter and therefor a bigger gravitational attraction holds the planet in it`s orbit, whilest it`s interaction with the centrifugal force, prevents the planet from leaving this orbit. The planets which themselves have matter also attract the sun which is why under observation the sun seems to "wobble arround" - because it rotates arround various points called the "Barry center".

The theory given for the answere might be a model based on what was observed and calculated, and therefor can be predicted. But in essence it gives a clear answere.
So do other theories and models.
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