Transexuals

[Aractus]

[Jackie]

I still don't get it yall. What's all this nonsense about changing sexes anyway?

Plastic surgery and chemical changes upon a body ≠ changing someone's root DNA, and equipping them will full reproductive capabilities representative of their new sex.

That's not accurate on two counts.

1. "reproductive capabilities" is not a requirement to be male or female - ie you can be born "barren", unable to conceive a child as a man or a woman.
2. DNA is not what defines gender. Yes, the body uses DNA to decide upon which gender it is, but DNA doesn't matter. We can recognize people who are intersex, even though they are still biologically male or female. In some animals it is possible to be truly an hermaphrodite, despite the fact that DNA should give you a more limitative answer. DNA/Biological gender can be mismatched.

This goes back to why so much misunderstanding of reality is rooted in evolution and why far too often our societal scripts cause us from seeing the "different" as being the "out group".

We fail to see the reality of evolution as being a range. We confuse the pattern of being in a majority as being right, when it is merely a number in part of a range.

If there were no diversity in evolution, it would not occur at all.

For the most part we have evolved with more males and females with definitive body/brain makeup. But for those who are bi/gay/trans, they are not "different", they are merely a minority as part of a presentation of evolution. Like being left handed vs right handed or albino. Just a lower ratio of output.

[Aractus]

No it isn't. You've missed the point.

Dissociative gender identity arises because of how the person themselves defines their gender identity; and this is environmental. "Playing with dolls" and that kind of thing. If you tell a boy he can't do "girl things" he could begin to think he's a girl. Cut out the "gender" and you pretty much have the textbook understanding of dissociative identity disorder as well. Same shit, but two very different outcomes.

[Jackie]

No it isn't. You've missed the point.

Dissociative gender identity arises because of how the person themselves defines their gender identity; and this is environmental. "Playing with dolls" and that kind of thing. If you tell a boy he can't do "girl things" he could begin to think he's a girl. Cut out the "gender" and you pretty much have the textbook understanding of dissociative identity disorder as well. Same shit, but two very different outcomes.

Then the debate should be who has the "disorder". I'd say the "disorder" is society's failure to see people as a range. I do agree that if something in your body does not match, if you want to fix it, do so.

When I was young I did ponder what it would be like to be a girl. I actually to this day hate testosterone. I didn't want to be a girl. But I found the range of sensitivity compared to men in general, more aligned with how I wanted to be. I got bullied and mistreated as a result of wanting to be myself. Even my parents didn't like how sensitive I was, and still am.

I hate that evolution produces ignorance. It produces humans who are stuck in script thinking on all sorts of issues, not just that of sex.

I hate cliche's like "Be a man" or "you hit like a girl". It still amounts to having one life and fuck what others think. Be a decent person, obey the law, and take the ups and downs in life with who you are, not what others want you to be.

I can tell you I often wished I had Xena Warrior Princess as my girlfriend in high school. Not only sexy but could have kicked the jocks asses when they bullied me.

[Aractus]

Well if you don't get diagnosed with gender identity disorder by a qualified physician then you don't get gender reassignment surgery, it's that simple. Every case of dissociative identity disorder is treated as unique, and gender identity disorder should be approached in the same way. For the most part it is, but it also isn't. For instance, the validation of someone's gender dysphoria as their identity is at odds with the views on how to treat DID.

[Jackie]

Well if you don't get diagnosed with gender identity disorder by a qualified physician then you don't get gender reassignment surgery, it's that simple. Every case of dissociative identity disorder is treated as unique, and gender identity disorder should be approached in the same way. For the most part it is, but it also isn't. For instance, the validation of someone's gender dysphoria as their identity is at odds with the views on how to treat DID.

I understand that, I am just uncomfortable with calling it a "disorder", not because of the way doctors use the term, but because religious nuts will go "SEE SEE SEE, it is a mental illness".

Being born in the wrong body is about as much a "disorder" as being albino or left handed. I see nothing wrong about correcting something you might not like about your own body which is why "disorder" I am fine with as far as a medical/psychological term. But give a theist a word and they will turn it into a slur like ignorant bigots.

[BGChuckLee]

Well if you don't get diagnosed with gender identity disorder by a qualified physician then you don't get gender reassignment surgery, it's that simple. Every case of dissociative identity disorder is treated as unique, and gender identity disorder should be approached in the same way. For the most part it is, but it also isn't. For instance, the validation of someone's gender dysphoria as their identity is at odds with the views on how to treat DID.

I understand that, I am just uncomfortable with calling it a "disorder", not because of the way doctors use the term, but because religious nuts will go "SEE SEE SEE, it is a mental illness".

Being born in the wrong body is about as much a "disorder" as being albino or left handed. I see nothing wrong about correcting something you might not like about your own body which is why "disorder" I am fine with as far as a medical/psychological term. But give a theist a word and they will turn it into a slur like ignorant bigots.

If you need to mutilate your genitals and fuck up with your body's chemistry to feel comfortable, you're doing something wrong. Transexuality is like a bad tattoo.

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Omg, I have so many questions!

I think I might like you if you stop all of the poeing Here's to the hoping, right?

First off, rather than asking vaguely. Why did you personally become trans? Since, as you said, you have to give up a lot to do it, so you must have a strong reason as to why. (I wanted this thread to be anonymous as to who I was talking about, but I guess the cat is out the bag now.)

You should know that your question doesn't make any sense I have always been a woman (and a girl), I mean... when I was four I entertained the notion that I was going to be some 20-year old German lady's wife someday.

But the question I think you're really asking (if I'm wrong, then ask more)... "when did I seriously recognize my womanhood?"

I was 13, it was my birthday, and I was lying next to my best friend after having just sucked him off. He asked me if I was gay, to which I did a full stop and considered silently for what felt like forever. Eventually came my soft and shy answer, "No... I think I'm a girl..."

I'd probably known it subconsciously forever (I have always played a female character in my imaginations, and when given the option of playing a female character in Pokemon Crystal I broke down and cried in the car(9). I felt left out when all of the girls in 4th grade 'went off to have tea' and requested I come with (sex ed, i was pretty oblivious), to which a girl named 'Anita' responded, "No, believe me, you really don't want to." Mean old nurse inviting people for tea and not meaning it >_<), but once I realized it consciously, I embraced my womanhood completely, mentally transitioning fully and immediately.

Then I sucked him off again.

Also; you said that some trans can like women too? omg. that is so confusing, I can't get my head around that...

There are transmen, there are transwomen, there are people who take hormones and maybe have surgeries who hang out with transpeople that are neither men nor women.

But none of that has to do with sexuality Myself, I am pansexual and polyamorous. I know lesbian transwomen, straight transwomen, gay transmen, straight transmen, and bisexuals from both sides of the transition.

And is the hormone replacement drugs healthy? Some times, I think I have an imbalance of female hormones, as I have a very feminine face- yet strong jaw line, very contrasting features.

Emotionally? Yes, very. If it's meant for you, anyway. Righting the hormones for a person can do wonders for them, and it's not only transpeople who can take advantage of it. Though we are a major usergroup of these drugs

You say that you recognised you were more feminine from a young age, what was your childhood like? were your parents sexually strange too? And I'm guessing you lost your virginity at a young age.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

If you need to mutilate your genitals and fuck up with your body's chemistry to feel comfortable, you're doing something wrong. Transexuality is like a bad tattoo.

If you'd doubt your truths every now and then, you might wise up.

I rather hang out with bad tattoo's than with willfully ignorant wankers.

[BGChuckLee]

If you need to mutilate your genitals and fuck up with your body's chemistry to feel comfortable, you're doing something wrong. Transexuality is like a bad tattoo.

If you'd doubt your truths every now and then, you might wise up.

I rather hang out with bad tattoo's than with willfully ignorant wankers.

What did I say that was logically incorrect?
Or are you just offended/butthurt?

[fr0d0]

If you need to mutilate your genitals and fuck up with your body's chemistry to feel comfortable, you're doing something wrong. Transexuality is like a bad tattoo.

Your posts are beginning to offend me.

How are they doing something wrong? Surely something else is wrong that they are trying to correct?