Bald Prophets are Dangerous

[Cyberman]

-Or he will look at what has been said and study it, who knows may even change his perspective, and with the clout that the words of a legitmate/ordained preacher brings, may help bring change to his whole denomination.

In other words, multiplying by zero. Preachers, ordained or otherwise, don't have clout, they have opinion. Why should an opinion of such a person carry any weight over that of anyone else, merely by virtue of their expressing it?

Besides which, I could count the number of theists who have changed their perspective on Abu Hamza's bad hand.

[Drich]

-Or he will look at what has been said and study it, who knows may even change his perspective, and with the clout that the words of a legitmate/ordained preacher brings, may help bring change to his whole denomination.

In other words, multiplying by zero. Preachers, ordained or otherwise, don't have clout, they have opinion. Why should an opinion of such a person carry any weight over that of anyone else, merely by virtue of their expressing it?

Besides which, I could count the number of theists who have changed their perspective on Abu Hamza's bad hand.

Actually it has happened many times. It is usally frowned upon as a further division of the Chruch, but that is why we have Baptists, and then southern baptist, or methodists, lutherns and so on and so fourth. One of you claimed their are over 30,000 diferent brands of Christianity remember all of them stem from one.

I guess with 30,000 fingers abu hamza 'bad hand' he must be a sight to see.

[Cyberman]

Yet interestingly they're all still theists. Most perplexing.

[Drich]

Yet interestingly they're all still theists. Most perplexing.

Our Charge is not to worship using a given doctrine, if it were would have been given set of rules as the Jews were. Our Greatest command is to Love our Lord God with all of our being. Now because we are all different, with different levels of understanding and ablity, that worship will look different person to person group to group. Christ's sacerfice not only covers out short commings when we willfully sin but it also covers our short commings when we are worshiping God at our limits of understanding.

[Cyberman]

Drich: our very own grandmaster in the art of verbal white noise. Or does that lot actually mean something, relevant or not? I recognise many of the words, it's just that I can't help feeling they'd object to being knitted together in that way.

[Minimalist]

Or do you hold an equal amount of the love for me???

I don't even like you, Drippy.

[Cinjin]

Christ's sacerfice not only covers out short commings when we willfully sin but it also covers our short commings when we are worshiping God at our limits of understanding.

Except that it doesn't. Christ's sacerfice doesn't cover our short commings does it. Nope, most of the world by your own admission is still going to hell.

Let me attempt once again to show how narcissistic and inept your phony god actually is:

It would be as if Superman boarded the Titanic when it set sail and told everyone that he not only cared for all of them but that they didn't have to worry about anything because thanks to his father - he's got super powers. Unfortunately, Superman didn't get around to the whole ship and only stayed on the main deck never bothering with the dumb schmucks in 2nd and 3rd class. Not that it mattered, because at 11:45 on the 14th Superman is nowhere to be found. He realized that a lot of people didn't believe him, so he decided to just tell a handful of people to jump on a lifeboat and flew off. Could have lifted the entire boat to safety, but instead saved a tiny fraction of the people on board. Jesus = Superman. Same thing.

True, Superman didn't sacrifice his life, but than again, neither did Jesus did he. Immortals don't die, they take naps. So essentially it's an identical story.

You lie. Christs sacerfice doesn't cover jack shit since me and all my non-believing friends are all still going to hell.
Thanks for that highly conditional love god ... fuck you dude.

[Drich]

Drich: our very own grandmaster in the art of verbal white noise. Or does that lot actually mean something, relevant or not? I recognise many of the words, it's just that I can't help feeling they'd object to being knitted together in that way.

They who? Those who would use the words of the bible to place a leading world religion under one MAN'S rule? Or are you saying that the one who came and "up set the apple cart" by completing the law which took and turn Judaism on it head, would be upset even after he threw the old way of worship away without replacing it line by line with a new one? All Christ left us with is what we call the Greatest commands. He told us that all of the law would be completed under these two commands 1 love God with all of your being and the second love your neighbor as your self. So if one mans complete love looks different than another's is the one man supposed to just fall in to a standard worship even if he is only giving 50% of himself to that worship? No of course not. That is why we split and have division. So everyone can worship at capacity.

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Or do you hold an equal amount of the love for me???

I don't even like you, Drippy.

Really!?!?

I would have never known that unless you told me. I guess I will have to take you off my Christmas card list now.

[RichardP]

Drich: our very own grandmaster in the art of verbal white noise. Or does that lot actually mean something, relevant or not? I recognise many of the words, it's just that I can't help feeling they'd object to being knitted together in that way.

They who? Those who would use the words of the bible to place a leading world religion under one MAN'S rule? Or are you saying that the one who came and "up set the apple cart" by completing the law which took and turn Judaism on it head, would be upset even after he threw the old way of worship away without replacing it line by line with a new one? All Christ left us with is what we call the Greatest commands. He told us that all of the law would be completed under these two commands 1 love God with all of your being and the second love your neighbor as your self. So if one mans complete love looks different than another's is the one man supposed to just fall in to a standard worship even if he is only giving 50% of himself to that worship? No of course not. That is why we split and have division. So everyone can worship at capacity.

You definitely give us insight into the way the Christians think.

[Drich]

Except that it doesn't. Christ's sacerfice doesn't cover our short commings does it. Nope, most of the world by your own admission is still going to hell.

The word "our" in my post identifed those who accepted the atonemnt offered by Christ. You are correct in saying not all will benfit from this grace.

Let me attempt once again to show how narcissistic and inept your phony god actually is:

It would be as if Superman boarded the Titanic when it set sail and told everyone that he not only cared for all of them but that they didn't have to worry about anything because thanks to his father - he's got super powers. Unfortunately, Superman didn't get around to the whole ship and only stayed on the main deck never bothering with the dumb schmucks in 2nd and 3rd class. Not that it mattered, because at 11:45 on the 14th Superman is nowhere to be found. He realized that a lot of people didn't believe him, so he decided to just tell a handful of people to jump on a lifeboat and flew off. Could have lifted the entire boat to safety, but instead saved a tiny fraction of the people on board. Jesus = Superman. Same thing.

True, Superman didn't sacrifice his life, but than again, neither did Jesus did he. Immortals don't die, they take naps. So essentially it's an identical story.

You lie. Christs sacerfice doesn't cover jack shit since me and all my non-believing friends are all still going to hell.
Thanks for that highly conditional love god ... fuck you dude.

wow if this is what you believe Christianity to be, in any way shape or form no wonder your pissed.

What if.. God did not opperate the way you think He does or should. Think about it Being almighty, is He somehow obligated to be the god you have created to fit your idea of morality? What if your morality was actually preverse when compared to an absolute standard? should the real God set His expressed will aside to support your personal sense of righteousness? Is this what you believe to be "unconditional love?" If yes then doesn't that make you god? After all if their is one being that the God of creation bows down to, and has your will superceed his own, then doesn't that make you the supream authority in the universe?

If your god then WTF?!? why do you let bad things happen to 'good people?' why haven't i won the lottery yet? where is your unconditional love? "I can love my kids without condition why haven't yoou shown me the same level of love I am able to show my own kids?" What kind of half ass god are you? there are kids with cancer, babies being born with aids, and on and on and on...

Now if by some crazy reason God does not bow down to your will nor will He change into the god you have created to fit your personal righteousness. And if He is indeed an unchanging standard but you seem far from even the most basic understanding of Him, then maybe it is you who has drifted away from God.

Ever been fishing in an intercoastal water way? It's usally salt water like the oceans, and subject to the tides. Just no major swells. When one is in an unanchored boat and not paying attention to the scenery one can litteraly drift for miles and not think he has move but a few feet. Some family and I were shrimping off port canaveral with in view of the Vehical assembly building (VAB)at Kennedy space center. (Shrimp run at night) so we spent most of the time looking down at our lights in the water dipping our nets in to catch the shrimp as they ran with the currents. with in an hour we had drifted almost 4 miles from where we were. But for the 3 of us our scenery had not changed or rather our imediate perspective did not change. we were looking at a small patch of illuminated water, and the interrior of the boat, but when we looked up what was once a side lit massive building had all but disappeared.

God is the unmoving VAB in this story(Again His Standard of Righteousness has never changed.) and the drifting boat is our collective moralities or personal sense of righteousness/self righteousness. Meaning if we look up from our heads down view of the boat, and small patch of water we are in, and God seem very far away, then we should have sense enough to know it is not God who has moved. It is our ever declining sense of morality. the fact that you feel tremoundous rage for a perceived injustice, but can over look what you deem to be minor sins should be a giant red flag.

If it isn't then just know God is not going to "uproot the VAB" and chase you down with the wandering tide. (God is not going to change His righteousness to match your ever changing morality) If you want to be close to God you will have to fire up the boat motor and set a course back from where you came. Otherwise know it is you who has left the side of God, and the fact that your 'righteousness' gives you an oppertunity to be morally outraged at God should be a confirmation that your righteousness and God's righteousness are not the same... Now all one has to do is look at what Christ said about the self righteous to complete this study. Is that something you want to look at?