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Broke my Heart...
#31
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 4, 2013 at 8:55 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: It's this little thing I like to do where I flavor a comment or a post by utilizing figures of speech. You'll get used to it.

Now, to be entirely honest, I am a weird person who has it in his head that lying to my child would not be a good way to establish a terrific relationship wherein they grow up to realize that regardless of the rest of the world, they will be able to trust me, their father, as it should be. And I have this strange mentality where the idea of telling my children that there's a fat red-coated man in the arctic bringing everyone presents one day of the year might kind of contradict that whole thing. Knowingly telling my son or daughter something that I know to be false is bad enough. Telling them something that I personally have no proof of for myself and I believe it "just because," is disingenuous, a word I seem to finding very useful lately. "This is truth, son/daughter! I mean granted here's no way to prove it but since I believe it so very very intensely, I want to ensure that you, impressionably-young as you are, will grow up to believe just like me!" It is, essentially, like a child grew up never being shown that Santa Claus was not real...or that the story was engineered so well that so many grew up never knowing the truth, unless told the truth by others, or having to dig into the story to realize its falsehoods. The child grows up, still thinks Santa Claus exists, and because he thinks it is an immutable fact and something that has meant so much in bringing him joy and happiness, that his children need to be told the story as if it were true, because, hey, if it works for you, it works for your children, right?

Thus do the seeds of gullibility end up planted. With a mentality of "someone told me something so it MUST be true" being something ingrained in a child's psyche that he grows up to always have, what's the WORST that could happen? Other than never really living his life for himself, for example?

THAT is why I feel sad for a religious child. They're being told a very very carefully engineered Santa Claus story, one that is too complex for their age to be able to analyze and learn to be false, and so by the time they ARE old enough to analyze this story, it's become ingrained in their mind as truth. This is indoctrination, pure and simple. If they really want to believe in it, then wait til they are old enough of mind to make up their own mind. If you are really so confident in the truth and veracity your religious story tells, then when introduced at an age of independent reasoning it will still hold up as fact to them.

Unless, of course, as a I strongly suspect, this is not the case and there's some subconscious aspect of your mind that didn't get fully indoctrinated, nagging at you that something just isn't quite right, and that should you pass up the opportunity to get at the children now, they'll grow up to see what a load of shenanigans your supposedly infallible stories are, and thus ensuring the shrinking relevance of your beliefs in the world.

Solipsism.

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#32
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 4, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:
(February 2, 2013 at 5:07 pm)John V Wrote: Religious people tend to be happier
I actually believe this. I've thought about it a lot. Atheists always happen to be depressed and have some mental disorder.
Here stands the exception that proves the rule! Tongue
No depression, always cheerful... well, almost always.
No mental disorder.... except for the standard ones, which makes me a normal person, so not at all disordered.

y'all need to play moar games and lighten'up.
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#33
RE: Broke my Heart...
Quote:THAT is why I feel sad for a religious child. They're being told a very very carefully engineered Santa Claus story, one that is too complex for their age to be able to analyze and learn to be false, and so by the time they ARE old enough to analyze this story, it's become ingrained in their mind as truth. This is indoctrination, pure and simple.
Yes, it's indoctrination which tends to lead toward a happier life. So what's the problem?
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#34
RE: Broke my Heart...
Jawdrop

Really? You don't see a problem?
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#35
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 4, 2013 at 1:39 pm)John V Wrote: Oops, sorry for the bad link.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2006/02/1...happy-yet/

This seems to be the kind of survey which Susan Blackmore is talking about in her article Why I No Longer believe religion is a virus of the mind
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#36
RE: Broke my Heart...
I am happy I know there's absolutely nothing after death. I doubt the theists could deal with that sort of happiness; they just never have to deal with the epic disappointment there whole life was filled with a worthless religion.
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#37
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 4, 2013 at 1:39 pm)John V Wrote: Oops, sorry for the bad link.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2006/02/1...happy-yet/
Quote:People who attend religious services weekly or more are happier (43% very happy) than those who attend monthly or less (31%); or seldom or never (26%). This correlation between happiness and frequency of church attendance has been a consistent finding in the General Social Surveys taken over the years...

[And while we're there...]

Some 45% of all Republicans report being very happy, compared with just 30% of Democrats and 29% of independents. This finding has also been around a long time; Republicans have been happier than Democrats every year since the General Social Survey began taking its measurements in 1972...

Married people (43% very happy) are a good bit happier than unmarrieds (24%) and this too has been a consistent finding over many years and many surveys.

Yeah it is what makes people happy and smile which determines what is good and not good.

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no it`s not.
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#38
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 5, 2013 at 9:42 am)LastPoet Wrote: Really? You don't see a problem?
Really. I don't. Maybe you can explain it for me.
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#39
RE: Broke my Heart...
(February 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm)festive1 Wrote: Happiness is subjective.
Happiness is a warm gun.




I'm reminded of the saying, "Show me a boy of five, and I'll show you the man." It expresses a rather certain and vulgar truth. Especially when said by a Catholic priest.


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