golden dawn

[justin]

thoughts on golden dawn? they keep getting bigger i hear

[Dee Dee Ramone]

thoughts on golden dawn? they keep getting bigger i hear

Fake nazi's from Greece suck bigtime.

[pocaracas]

http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/hogdframeset.html

Guys who call themselves the H.O.G......D.

[Something completely different]

I find it really funny to be honest. Considering our countries history, we Germans dont have a single right wing/fashist party in our parlament. But a bunch of commies from the failed east.

And in the rest of Europe: France, Greece, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Bulgaria, Italy, Latvia, Lithuenia, Luxenburg, Slowakia and Slowenia have racists, fashists and right wing loons in their parlaments.

Only the Brits, Spanish and Portugese dont have them in their parlaments aswell.

Probably because swastikers and other German stuff arent popular in Britain and because in Spain and Portugal alot of people dont vote for them because of the recent history of these countries.

Especialy the Hungarian "Jobbik" and the dutch Gert Vilders are a bunch of complete dipshits.

Alot of Germans and especially the german press is very amused about this.

[pocaracas]

Spain & Portugal had Franco and Salazar, not very long ago, so we're not very keen in having fascists in the government.
As for the UK... I don't know.... don't they only have 2 parties? labor and conservative..... sort of a mirror of the democrats and republicans in the US (not necessarily by that order)...

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I know to well of their history, although I do have the feeling that especialy in the case of Spain, not much was done to work up the countries history.
Franco`l legacy still rotts like cancer in Spanish sociaty.

I think the main reasons for Britain not to have extreme right wing dipshits in their parlament is probably a mix out of patriotism and how their system works.

They have an outdated 2 party system which isnt exatly the ground on which third parties could flurish.
And why should they vote for fashism when they kicked it`s ass 60 years ago and made being proud of that part of their sociaty?

[justin]

Sweden? Really? I have always heard really progressive thing about them:/ i live in south carolina and we have conservative sheep and creationists and the whole race thing but nothing like this golden dawn. I get france being ok with it. I mean they know if they start a war their just gonna surrender so..it's in their nature hahaha or call for support a couple days after they start for the u.s

[Dee Dee Ramone]

I find it really funny to be honest. Considering our countries history, we Germans dont have a single right wing/fashist party in our parlament. But a bunch of commies from the failed east.

And in the rest of Europe: France, Greece, Netherlands, Austria, Poland, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Bulgaria, Italy, Latvia, Lithuenia, Luxenburg, Slowakia and Slowenia have racists, fashists and right wing loons in their parlaments.
Especialy the Hungarian "Jobbik" and the dutch Gert Vilders are a bunch of complete dipshits.
Alot of Germans and especially the german press is very amused about this.

Geert Wilders is a populist, but not comparable to Jobbik and not comparable to Golden Dawn at all. Geert Wilders hates Islam because he thinks Israel is the greatest nation earth (he lived there for some years). Besides try getting votes by bashing Islam and now being anti-EU...he wants the dutch embassady moved to the only undividable capital of Israel (Jeruzalem) and thinks all Palestines, including those in Gaza, should move to Jordan. Which is insane and in violation with international law in every way. Israel is the only foreign country named in his election program (not even germany..the economic mother country or the US...the ass in which the Dutch hide their head).
yes he's insane, but in a total different way and even hardly nationalistic....

I find it rather worrying that some countries do not have some far right wing party, since you'd better have them in the parliament than have then ignored.

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The history of fashism is something really complex.

Ask a random person what fashism is and that person will say "Hitler, Germany, NSDAP" a person who will be a bit smarter will also mention Italy and Mussolini.
But no one will mention:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Fascist_Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rexism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Bu...al_Legions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaps_Movement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_P..._(Finland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix-de-Feu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%93rkonkrusts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Activist_Front

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_So...etherlands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Radical_Camp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Union_(Portugal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fr...itzerland)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_So...y_(Sweden)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_Cross_Party

Especially the brutal Arrow Cross Party from Hungaria, the Croat fashists, Franco and Salazar are worth mentioning.
Fashism didnt just start off in Germany and Italy, it started of in all off Europe and even the world (Egypt, India, Lebanon) and was seen as a legitemat political movement.
No matter how progressive a country might be, almoust every European country had a fashist party in it`s past.

And everything rightwing you see today in Europe is a resemblence of this past.

It depends largely on how well a country worked up it`s history, to see how many fashist are still arround in politics today.

And I think it is worth mentioning, since fashism is connected to catholicism historicaly and culturaly that even today the biggest rise in right wingish bollocks is happening in catholic Europe.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Sweden? Really? I have always heard really progressive thing about them:/ i live in south carolina and we have conservative sheep and creationists and the whole race thing but nothing like this golden dawn. I get france being ok with it. I mean they know if they start a war their just gonna surrender so..it's in their nature hahaha or call for support a couple days after they start for the u.s

Sweden has a long social democratic tradition and in total seven political parties in the parliament, but they sure don't have a party like Golden Dawn.

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The history of fashism is something really complex.

Ask a random person what fashism is and that person will say "Hitler, Germany, NSDAP" a person who will be a bit smarter will also mention Italy and Mussolini.
But no one will mention:
....
Especially the brutal Arrow Cross Party from Hungaria, the Croat fashists, Franco and Salazar are worth mentioning.
Fashism didnt just start off in Germany and Italy, it started of in all off Europe and even the world (Egypt, India, Lebanon) and was seen as a legitemat political movement.
No matter how progressive a country might be, almoust every European country had a fashist party in it`s past.

And everything rightwing you see today in Europe is a resemblence of this past.

It depends largely on how well a country worked up it`s history, to see how many fascist are still arround in politics today.

And I think it is worth mentioning, since fashism is connected to catholicism historicaly and culturaly that even today the biggest rise in right wingish bollocks is happening in catholic Europe.

It's true the Catholics in the Netherlands lean to Geert Wilders, but more because they live in the 'poorest and uneducated' southern region relatively far away from where the decisions are made. They feel left out for different reasons. Geert Wilders is not the result of a history of fascism, we hardly have a fascist history here in democratic periods including the 1930's. Geert Wilders is possible because his more or less moderate predecessor Fortuyn (former social democrat) was shot right before the elections. Before he was shot all the parties screamed in choir that he was a fascist, which he was not. He was a populist saying things about immigration which provoked a world war 2 reflex from all the other parties.

Now the traditional right is scarred to insult him because they don't want to make a hero of Wilders. Quite some retarded people say 'they' killed the one man who dares to say 'those' things and now vote even extremer....that's why Geert Wilders is always stressing out how endangered he is acting his freedom of speech.

Anyway, Geert Wilders, if he fits in any tradition, fits in a long dutch tradition of populist protest parties...from left to right.

I don't think that's in line with fascism?

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Thanks for the links by the way :-).