Earth - Proof of God?

[catfish]

Oh don't worry. If you don't find god in this life, you'll know when you're dead!

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Drich seriously gave me that as an answer once
FYI I'm paraphrasing him. I don't remember the exact quote.

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I wouldn't worry about it...
If every tongue will confess and every knee will bow like written in the text, then you adhere to his "requirements" for salvation...
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[Drich]

Oh don't worry. If you don't find god in this life, you'll know when you're dead!

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Drich seriously gave me that as an answer once
FYI I'm paraphrasing him. I don't remember the exact quote.

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It probably went something like this: If you live a life seeking, and even if you do not find what others have found, then you would have lived a profitable life, and will be rewarded in the next.

This principle is based off a teaching Paul explains to the Corinthians. In that we are all members of the same body, and even though each member of the body may have a different function (experiences God differently) it does not mean any member is any less apart of the body of Christ.

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Oh don't worry. If you don't find god in this life, you'll know when you're dead!

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Drich seriously gave me that as an answer once
FYI I'm paraphrasing him. I don't remember the exact quote.

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I wouldn't worry about it...
If every tongue will confess and every knee will bow like written in the text, then you adhere to his "requirements" for salvation...
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and if "we all" don't? then what?

[Darkstar]

It probably went something like this: If you live a life seeking, and even if you do not find what others have found, then you would have lived a profitable life, and will be rewarded in the next.

Yeah, probably. Except the second part is only true if god exists, and the first is untrue regardless. How is spending your whole life seeking a god you can never find rewarding? I think it would be depressing...

[catfish]

I wouldn't worry about it...
If every tongue will confess and every knee will bow like written in the text, then you adhere to his "requirements" for salvation...
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and if "we all" don't? then what?

Drich, are you claiming the Bible is incorrect??? You gotta pick a stance here, all correct or not...
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[Jackalope]

That's odd. Many years ago, I was a Christian. I wasn't raised a Christian, my parents were strictly secular - I came to it of my own accord when I was a young man. I had faith. I set aside my skepticism. I wanted to live in God's presence and glorify him.

I earnestly and humbly sought God, under the guidance of both my pastor and prayer group leader. They assured me, as you do, that if I did as as instructed in the bible (A/S/K), that I would find God as they had.

I did so for years, to the best of my ability. I found nothing.

I call bullshit.

Did you knock?(Did you repeat your effort)

Dozens if not hundreds of times over a period of years. I didn't seek God out of a desire to avoid divine retribution, I did so out of a desire to live righteously as God wanted.

Did God illuminate any unrepentant sins in your life that kept you from God?

Did you read what I wrote? Nothing was revealed to me.

Oh, I tried to lead a righteous life. When I sinned, I prayed for forgiveness and did my best to learn from and not repeat my mistakes. I prayed for guidance to live righteously, at least daily.

are you still knocking?

What do you think? Hell, no.

[Esquilax]

Drich, are you claiming the Bible is incorrect??? You gotta pick a stance here, all correct or not...
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I think his position is just anti-everyone else's position...

[Drich]

It probably went something like this: If you live a life seeking, and even if you do not find what others have found, then you would have lived a profitable life, and will be rewarded in the next.

Yeah, probably. Except the second part is only true if god exists, and the first is untrue regardless. How is spending your whole life seeking a god you can never find rewarding? I think it would be depressing...

This life is not about reward or punishment. It's about making a choice. Having sought God one's entire life is making that choice.

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and if "we all" don't? then what?

Drich, are you claiming the Bible is incorrect??? You gotta pick a stance here, all correct or not...
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Your begging the question rephrase.

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Dozens if not hundreds of times over a period of years. I didn't seek God out of a desire to avoid divine retribution, I did so out of a desire to live righteously as God wanted.

why?

Did you read what I wrote? Nothing was revealed to me.

Did you own a bible durning this period? Did you read it? Did you have access to a church? Did you attend? Did you ask questions?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then how can you say nothing was revealed? Even the most devout atheist see the bible as a list of sins. How can you read a bible and not see something your doing that would be identified as sin?

Oh, I tried to lead a righteous life. When I sinned, I prayed for forgiveness and did my best to learn from and not repeat my mistakes. I prayed for guidance to live righteously, at least daily.

The understanding of sin is a revelation. So God did reveal something to you. Of your sins did one stand out? One you kept returning to? (I'm not asking for specifics just a yes or no will do)

What do you think? Hell, no.

Did the guy in Jesus' story quit knocking before he got what he wanted?

If no, then how can you say you a/s/k like Luke 11 outlines?

Making an honest run (our way) at trying to reach out to God is not what He asked us to do. We truly only have one honest way of establishing and maintaining a relationship, and that is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have only been given one avenue to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit, that is to a/s/k as out lined in Luke 11. If we do not seek out the Holy Spirit as instructed, then we are on our own to establish and maintain our own relationship with God. As All of you can attest this task is next to impossible even when done in groups.

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Dozens if not hundreds of times over a period of years. I didn't seek God out of a desire to avoid divine retribution, I did so out of a desire to live righteously as God wanted.

why?

Did you read what I wrote? Nothing was revealed to me.

Did you own a bible durning this period? Did you read it? Did you have access to a church? Did you attend? Did you ask questions?
If you answered yes to any of these questions, then how can you say nothing was revealed? Even the most devout atheist see the bible as a list of sins. How can you read a bible and not see something your doing that would be identified as sin?

Oh, I tried to lead a righteous life. When I sinned, I prayed for forgiveness and did my best to learn from and not repeat my mistakes. I prayed for guidance to live righteously, at least daily.

The understanding of sin is a revelation. So God did reveal something to you. Of your sins did one stand out? One you kept returning to? (I'm not asking for specifics just a yes or no will do)

What do you think? Hell, no.

Did the guy in Jesus' story quit knocking before he got what he wanted?

If no, then how can you say you a/s/k like Luke 11 outlines?

Making an honest run (our way) at trying to reach out to God is not what He asked us to do. We truly only have one honest way of establishing and maintaining a relationship, and that is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have only been given one avenue to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit, that is to a/s/k as out lined in Luke 11. If we do not seek out the Holy Spirit as instructed, then we are on our own to establish and maintain our own relationship with God. As All of you can attest this task is next to impossible even when done in groups.

[catfish]

Drich, are you claiming the Bible is incorrect??? You gotta pick a stance here, all correct or not...
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Your begging the question rephrase.

Request granted...

Drich, are you a hypocrite?
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[Cinjin]

Same here CD. 20 Years I tried to figure out why god was only talking to 3 or 4 of the entire congregation. I wanted so much to understand.
I second your bullshit and raise you a , "get fucked."

You know if God stoped going to your church it means you don't have to go to that one either.

O my god. Do you have any idea how delusional the True Christians™ think you are? Rhetorical - don't bother.
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think your god was ever in that church - or any church, but to hear an actual sheep say that is just wonderful.

You have no evidence of anything you say. You have no idea if god is coming and going from churches. You have no idea if someone is "seeking hard enough." You have no idea if your god is even remotely similar to a parent forcing a child to pick up his room. Literally MILLIONS of christians disagree with you. In truth, you don't even know for absolute sure that god even loves you personally. You just continue to "seek" all your life, and continue to claim all the while that you know god. You know absolutely nothing more than I do about god, but you sit there with your ridiculous theories pretending that you've got a cute little bi-level condo in heaven reserved for you when you die.

If you were truly honest, you'd come clean and admit the obvious: if your god truly wanted to save everyone and offer everyone eternal life as you say he wants to, he wouldn't have made it such a mystery to find him. This odd difficulty in finding god is just an apologist's excuse for never finding god. "Hey you didn't get that expensive present in the mail?! I sent it. You must not have gotten it yet. What? It's been 2 months? It must be lost, but don't worry. What?! That present never came. That's a mystery ... oh well."

No matter how you spin it, your religion is dying because people are opening their eyes and seeing what a bunch of lies you are selling.

[Anomalocaris]

I draw your attention to this "Drich"'s attempt to argue that if christians burned a witch, it is the witch's fault.

Of course if the witches burned him, I think he should just suck it up and be grateful for the flame.