Pascal's Wager (the new version)

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Because God is merciful
He defined the Islamic system to be applied in life, in order to guide people to him
the system will make life hard for non-followers
and make others afraid of doing bad

What does that have to do with god being mercifull?
If anything it means your god is a controlfreakish orwellian dictator.
Giving people a guidline to follow voluntarilaly to gain reward in a promissed afterlife, only to send out a gestapo to make this process non voluntarily.
plus: the inequality created by a system which treats different people as unequals and infirior makes your system even more rejectable and absolutly the oposite of "mercifull"

It is a test and challenge for Muslims, so they can be rewarded more for doing that.

If the rules are inforced then it is no longer a test but an obligation.
Thereby your god takes away the free will and right to self determination.
Your god is a hypocrit, who gives out guidelines to follow voluntarily only to then send out his gestapo (like mentioned above)


This entire thing simply shows how your god is a bundle of contradictions and therefor probably made up by humans.

[Angrboda]

Muslim Scholar my eye teeth. More like, "Muslim Maker of False Promises".

How many weeks has it been, and still not even the skeleton of a proof of the existence of your god?

[Muslim Scholar]

Because God is merciful
He defined the Islamic system to be applied in life, in order to guide people to him
the system will make life hard for non-followers
and make others afraid of doing bad

What does that have to do with god being mercifull?

By making bad things difficult to do

Giving people a guidline to follow voluntarilaly to gain reward in a promissed afterlife, only to send out a gestapo to make this process non voluntarily.

We don't have full choices (only restricted)

plus: the inequality created by a system which treats different people as unequals and infirior makes your system even more rejectable and absolutly the oposite of "mercifull"

How can you equate a criminal (who don't worship god) to a follower?
You even don't do this in secular laws, you are the one how is contradicting now

If the rules are inforced then it is no longer a test but an obligation.

Enforcing here doesn't mean that God is forcing you to do it, he is obligating not forcing.

Thereby your god takes away the free will and right to self determination.

There is no free will, even you being a non-Muslim you don't have a choice about it
God can only make you a Muslim or a non-Muslim
Yet you will judged and punished based on your deeds

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By making bad things difficult to do

That is not mercifull. It is giving laws. And since he is determening what is good or bad - he is imposing laws!

We don't have full choices (only restricted)

Nope. You have restricted choices because you restrict them yourself with your faith.
AND
You want to restrict the choices of others by imposing your faith on them.

How can you equate a criminal (who don't worship god) to a follower?
You even don't do this in secular laws, you are the one how is contradicting now

Where am I contradicting myself with what?! Do you speak english?

"equality" is a strong and contradictory word to use by a savage like you.
The secular lawsystem treats everyone as equals, yours does not - which is why i critizesed it.
Do I have to paint you a picture with color pencils to explain that point.

Enforcing here doesn't mean that God is forcing you to do it, he is obligating not forcing.

and thereby obligating his representatives on earth to go out and chop off hands and head, and keep slaves, and stone women, and rape.

In other words - he is forcing.

Because not following his laws will mean punishment by his savage followers. Therefor - force.

There is no free will, even you being a non-Muslim you don't have a choice about it
God can only make you a Muslim or a non-Muslim
Yet you will judged and punished based on your deeds

you say there is no free will - and then say I will be punished because of my deeds.

And you stated that I contradict myself

[Muslim Scholar]

That is not mercifull. It is giving laws. And since he is determening what is good or bad - he is imposing laws!

Yes, God is the Imposer

Nope. You have restricted choices because you restrict them yourself with your faith.
AND
You want to restrict the choices of others by imposing your faith on them.

Yes, again
Islam is a forcing religion, infidels don't have any rights

Where am I contradicting myself with what?! Do you speak english?

I don't mean you specifically, I mean that all secular laws don't treat criminals the same as other citizens

and thereby obligating his representatives on earth to go out and chop off hands and head, and keep slaves, and stone women, and rape.
In other words - he is forcing.

It depends on what do you mean by forcing, but yes God is obligating Muslim to do some of this things

Because not following his laws will mean punishment by his savage followers. Therefor - force.

Exactly

There is no free will, even you being a non-Muslim you don't have a choice about it
God can only make you a Muslim or a non-Muslim
Yet you will judged and punished based on your deeds

you say there is no free will - and then say I will be punished because of my deeds.
And you stated that I contradict myself

It is not a contradiction, as we don't understand How God created us

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Yes, God is the Imposer

then he is infiror to human moral values and has to be rejected and destroyed

Yes, again
Islam is a forcing religion, infidels don't have any rights

Then your religion isnt that much different from fashism and communism and is therefor to be excluded from any political decision taking, since your religion is infirior to human moral values.

I don't mean you specifically, I mean that all secular laws don't treat criminals the same as other citizens

Laws are not meant to treat a criminal like a non criminal.
A court gives everyone the same rights - right for legal representation, fair trial and right to appeal.
Untill the court trial is finished - in dubio pro reo - therefor a person stands under laws which guarantee equal rights in the general public.

It depends on what do you mean by forcing, but yes God is obligating Muslim to do some of this things

Then your religion isnt that much different from fashism and communism and is therefor to be excluded from any political decision taking, since your religion is infirior to human moral values.

Because not following his laws will mean punishment by his savage followers. Therefor - force.

Exactly

Then your religion isnt that much different from fashism and communism and is therefor to be excluded from any political decision taking, since your religion is infirior to human moral values.

It is not a contradiction, as we don't understand How God created us

That is a cheap excuse for not having an answere.
You dont understand a contradiction by your highest authority because you do not question authority - because you are delusional and not willing or to stupid to think for yourself.

I see contradictions and point them out - because I can think for myself!


I think you are the first member of this forum to openly confess that you are a fashist.

[Muslim Scholar]

Yes, God is the Imposer

then he is infiror to human moral values and has to be rejected and destroyed

You cannot compare God to human
For example if a human asked people to worship him he is bad, Not like God
God is unique and cannot be compared to anything.

Yes, again
Islam is a forcing religion, infidels don't have any rights

Then your religion isnt that much different from fashism and communism and is therefor to be excluded from any political decision taking, since your religion is infirior to human moral values.

Same answer like above, This what God wants
the problem is that you cannot prove that human are equal

A court gives everyone the same rights - right for legal representation, fair trial and right to appeal.
Untill the court trial is finished - in dubio pro reo - therefor a person stands under laws which guarantee equal rights in the general public.

Very good you are starting to learn now
All people in Islam has equal rights (to be Muslim), if you choose not then you are committing a crime and should be prosecuted and punished

That is a cheap excuse for not having an answere.

there is no answer about How and Why God do things
More than that, If there is an answer then he is not God

I think you are the first member of this forum to openly confess that you are a fashist.

I'm not but there are some similarities if you consider hereafter
Yes, if you are not a Muslim you will not have in God's paradise (except in hell)

[Ryantology]

You cannot compare God to human
For example if a human asked people to worship him he is bad, Not like God
God is unique and cannot be compared to anything.

According to whom?

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You cannot compare God to human
For example if a human asked people to worship him he is bad, Not like God
God is unique and cannot be compared to anything.

What an idiotic example which completly misses the point!!! This is not about supiriority and authority!

I as human, know myself what is good for me and what is not. Humans as a collective know what is good for them and what is not.
This is called ethics in the category of philosophers, and hundreds have thought over these questions which gave mankind moral principles.
Which made some places such as the west - prosperous and free.
And some places like the islamic world - poor and tyrannical

Same answer like above, This what God wants
the problem is that you cannot prove that human are equal

I need not prove that. I only have to prove that god`s morals arent good for humans, which you have proven yourself.
Therefor it is more moral to reject your gods morals and stick to those from humans.

Very good you are starting to learn now
All people in Islam has equal rights (to be Muslim), if you choose not then you are committing a crime and should be prosecuted and punished

Bein arrogant over nothing and contradicting yourself. How pathetic!
All people are not equal in Islam, women are treated like cattle, slaves can be held, non muslims harassed and far more clear signitures of inequality. The legal system the secual world has, seperates the courts from the religious and political giving all a equal trial.
You wrote that yourself previously:

Islam is a forcing religion, infidels don't have any rights

there is no answer about How and Why God do things
More than that, If there is an answer then he is not God

So he isnt here and to incompetent to handle things.
Is that why he needs bearded morons to do his work of stoning women!?

I'm not but there are some similarities if you consider hereafter
Yes, if you are not a Muslim you will not have in God's paradise (except in hell)

That is not the only similarity!

Islam is a forcing religion, infidels don't have any rights

[Cyberman]

But why fight crime and secure order if you believe that at a certain point criminals will be judged and convicted anyway.
Doesnt that make justice system redundant?

Because God is merciful
He defined the Islamic system to be applied in life, in order to guide people to him
the system will make life hard for non-followers
and make others afraid of doing bad

Just an observation, but what was "God" doing before it defined the Islamic system? Didn't it want to guide people toward it prior to then?

Not to mention that, yet again, the criterion for this mercy is whether a person believes, not on the goodness of their character or their actions. Gullibility ftw.