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Should pedophilia be legal?
#81
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 8:45 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:
(February 28, 2013 at 8:29 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: All I've done is point out fallacious logic in this thread.

Have I overread that part?

In calm:

At the age of 10 to 11, children enter puperty - so before that time sex with such, is out of question and without any doubt should be illegal. The lack of sexual maturety means that having using such individuals for sexual means requires abuse, since the individual in question is incapable to participate due to it`s lack of the required biological functions. It is also importent to add that "the maturity" in the sence of personal maturity/understanding of the subject is not reached at that age, therefor an abuse and therefor exploitation of the child for sexualactivity would be required for sexual activity.

Which is why sexual activity with those who havent reached puperty is out of question since in all points it requires the abuse of the subject.

During puperty, as a child slowly evolves into adulthood, sexual activity by the young adult cannot be avoided. BUT, the evolving and discovering of a sexuality should be conducted by the individual and not inforced nore pressured on that individual, neighter should the trust of the individual be abused for the sexual activities of adults. A person in puperty may choose on it`s own behalf to have sex, and it should have the right to do so. It must stay underlines though that such an individual should not be pressured into sex.

plus (my input)

In legal terms it would be beyond foolish and outright stupid to lower the age of consent. Consent is oftern hard to define after cases of sexual abuse. Some abused children might have initialy agreed to their abuse from their abusers due to pressure, the legal age of consent is in place to make such offences punishable. So lowering the age of consent would simply give a sexual offender the legal rlaim to comit his crime within a still legal boundry. The age of consent should be determined by the young individuals personal needs for evolving it`s sexuality and not to cover the needs which some abuseive adults may have.

No they should NOT have the absolute right. I was a teen myself, I wanted it too. But I could have ruined my life by getting a girl pregnant, ESPECIALLY knowing now I never really wanted kids, but was told and bought that is what you do.

So even in wanting it, I get her pregnant, then I am stuck, and believe me back then I was only thinking about my dick, not my future.

The only thing you can do is EDUCATE THEM both about their bodies, contraception, disease, consent and monetary issues such as pregnancy and financial future, and advise them to WAIT. But they should not have any legal right to have sex, ESPECIALLY NOT with an adult.

"Kids are going to do it anyway", yea, but that is what parents are there for, not to judge them, but lead them.

So yea I agree, on top of maturity, lowering the age of consent would only allow the sick bastards a legal way to do it.
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#82
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 8:55 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: very sorry.

My mistake.


I thought you did.

Lololol. I'm the one that started threads asking about castrating boys and preventing homosexuality so I can see how you might mix me up with the op.
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#83
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 7:45 am)Vera Wrote:
(February 28, 2013 at 3:39 am)Gilgamesh Wrote: Pedophilia should be legal, yes. Having sex with prepubescents (if you're not a young'n yourself (I'm not going to suggest what ages these laws should all go by to allow flexibility)) should not be legal.

Paedophilia is having sex with prepubescent children.

Um, no it is not. Pedophilia is attraction to prepubescent children. Someone else may have already stated this, but I just saw it and had to point out the glaring error. I'm fun like that.
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#84
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Kids are going to do it anyway", yea, but that is what parents are there for, not to judge them, but lead them.
Not true. Some people actually do wait until marriage. Also, parents must judge until children are old enough to demonstrate sound judgement.
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#85
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 9:24 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(February 28, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Kids are going to do it anyway", yea, but that is what parents are there for, not to judge them, but lead them.
Not true. Some people actually do wait until marriage. Also, parents must judge until children are old enough to demonstrate sound judgement.

True, but probably nowadays it's only a minority that do.
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#86
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 7:45 am)Vera Wrote: Paedophilia is having sex with prepubescent children.
You're wrong.
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#87
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm)plaincents Wrote: Yeah gonna jump in on the morally ambiguous side of lowering the age of consent, probably down to 15.

Just to put it out there though, I lost my virginity at 13 consensually to a 15 year old. I am not psychologically traumatized, and in fact if anything I would have to say that losing my virginity so young helped me identify a lot of things about myself in the context of my sexuality, personality, and relationship preferences.
And why did you have sexual relations at thirteen? CoD and the Pornhub are both much superior alternatives. Smile
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#88
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm)C3P0 Wrote: People, people; we don't let kids drive for the same reason we don't let them drink alcoholic beverages or have sex
Not true. We don't let them drink alcohol because their bodies are still growing and drinking can cause harm to a developing body. With driving it's about safety to other road users, that's why - for instance - we do allow children to ride their bikes legally on roads. Two completely different reasons.
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#89
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
(February 28, 2013 at 10:05 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote: You're wrong.
What a great, well-reasoned rebuttal.

Too bad I am right.
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#90
RE: Should pedophilia be legal?
Vera, all that links proves is that paedophilia is the sexual desire for pre-pubescent children (as opposed to the sexual act with children), you do realize that doesn't help your argument, right?
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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