(March 23, 2013 at 7:08 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Meylis lawrence why did you copy and paste a load of questions that dont even make sense and seem to be written by people who havnt even picked up a Qur'an?
You call that answering questions? Ex: "dunno" is not an answer.
I can go through your answers one by one, but honestly, I don't think it's worth it since I won't learn anything from you. It'll be just waste of my own time. How dumb you have to be to think that Mo the Pedophile (Shit be Upon him) was a prophet. It's clear from hadiths and quran that he was a pedophile and sexually obsessed warlorfd.
Also, I did read Quran many many times. Other day I was reading surat 33 and found it particularly disturbing.
So here's why:
In verse 21 it says that Muhammad is an excellent model to imitate, but given the verse before and after, it seems to refer only to war:
Quran 33:20. They think the companies have not [yet] withdrawn. And if the companies should come [again], they would wish they were in the desert among the bedouins, inquiring [from afar] about your news. And if they should be among you, they would not fight except for a little.
Quran 33:21. There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.
Quran 33:22. And when the believers saw the companies, they said, "This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us, and Allah and His Messenger spoke the truth." And it increased them only in faith and acceptance.
Then in verses 25-26-27 it promotes war, killing people, taking captives, and then taking the land, homes and properties of the enemies as a war booty:
Quran 33:25. And Allah repelled those who disbelieved, in their rage, not having obtained any good. And sufficient was Allah for the believers in battle, and ever is Allah Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Quran 33:26. And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture from their fortresses and cast terror into their hearts [so that] a party you killed, and you took captive a party.
Quran 33:27. And He caused you to inherit their land and their homes and their properties and a land which you have not trodden. And ever is Allah , over all things, competent.
I might be naive, but I thought that those kind of things were present only in the hadiths. And I have always been told me that stealing is forbidden in Islam, yet in those verses of the quran it is clearly permitted and it's even a gift of Allah!!
Then right after, it talks about the wives of Muhammad and it seems that Muhammad was very jealous, possessive of his wives and that he somehow had to strengthen their indoctrination into Islam.
Quran 33:28. O Prophet, say to your wives, "If you should desire the worldly life and its adornment, then come, I will provide for you and give you a gracious release.
Quran 33:29. But if you should desire Allah and His Messenger and the home of the Hereafter - then indeed, Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a great reward."
Quran 33:30. O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy.
Quran 33:31. And whoever of you devoutly obeys Allah and His Messenger and does righteousness - We will give her her reward twice; and We have prepared for her a noble provision.
Quran 33:32. O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah , then do not be soft in speech [to men], lest he in whose heart is disease should covet, but speak with appropriate speech.
Double punishment or double reward? And he offers them to divorce but if he does, then no other man will ever marry them? And even after his death no one can ever marry his ex wives? WTF?
Then in verses 37-38, the story that you all know about Muhammad marrying the ex-wife of his adopted son.
Quran 33:37. And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah ," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.
Quran 33:38. There is not to be upon the Prophet any discomfort concerning that which Allah has imposed upon him. [This is] the established way of Allah with those [prophets] who have passed on before. And ever is the command of Allah a destiny decreed.
So Allah COMMANDED and IMPOSED that Muhammad marry the ex-wife of his adopted son by changing his laws to please Muhammad? WTF?
And after that we see in verse 50 that Allah apparently destined some captives to Muhammad and that he has some privileges above the other believers.
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Quran 33:50. O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
I think we all need an explanation.
Here is a proof that he married a 9 year old while she was still playing dolls.
Muhammad married a girl who was still playing Dolls
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Bk. 73, No. 151
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girlfriends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter home they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me.
'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle married her when she was six years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)
'A'isha reported that she used to PLAY WITH DOLLS in the presence of Allah's Messenger and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah's Messenger whereas Allah's Messenger sent them to her. (Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5981)
Proof of Marriage
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:65
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:88
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
Abu Dawud 41:4915
`A´isha Bint Abu Bakr: Muhammad married her in the month of Shawwal, three years before the Migration, ten years after he claimed prophethood, according to the tradition of `A´isha herself. He had intercourse with her in the month of Shawwal, eight months after the Migration. She was the only virgin among Muhammad's wives.
Tabaqat Ibn Sa`d, 8:58; Ansab al-ashraf, 1:410.
Muhammad's Genocide against Jewish tribe
Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622 with a band of immigrants, completely dependent on the hospitality of the three Jewish tribes that lived there alongside the Arabs. Within less than two years, two of these tribes would be evicted, losing their land and their wealth to the Muslims as soon as their guests gained the power to confiscate and conquer. Muhammad accomplished this by deftly using a strategy of “divide and conquer.”
The first tribe that he attacked, the Banu Qaynuqa, had been aligned against the other two in a recent war, so they did not go to its defense against Muhammad. Neither did the third tribe, the Banu Qurayza assist the second, the Banu Nadir, when it was attacked by the Muslims shortly thereafter, since the two clans had recently suffered a falling out over “blood money” after Muhammad’s arrival (of which he was well aware).
Muhammad was also wise enough not to order the wholesale slaughter of the first two tribes following their defeat, lest that might send the surviving people a stronger incentive to resist. In all three cases, the Jewish tribes, composed of peaceful tradesmen and farmers, surrendered their accumulated wealth to Muhammad without a fight and accepted eviction. It was only after the last tribe, the Qurayza, surrendered that Muhammad felt comfortable ordering mass executions.
Over 800 men and boys (and at least one woman) from the Qurayza tribe were beheaded by the prophet of Islam in a bloodbath that is of acute embarrassment to today’s Muslim apologists. It is an episode that is not only completely at odds with the idea that Islam is a peaceful religion, but also the claim that it is the heir to Christianity, since even that religion’s most dedicated critics could hardly imagine Jesus doing such a thing.
It is only in modern times, as Islam finds itself having to compete with morally mature religions in open debate, that the story of the massacre has become controversial. Some Muslims deny the episode, largely on the grounds of inconvenience. Others are unaware of it altogether. But, not only is the incident well documented in the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad), there is even a brief reference to it in the
Qur’an (verse 33:26).
Since Islam makes no apologies, particularly for anything in the life of Muhammad, contemporary Muslims generally try to convince themselves that the victims of Qurayza deserved their fate. They must have turned on the Muslims in battle and inflicted many deaths, forcing Muhammad to yield to the wishes of his people and respond in kind.
Unfortunately, the accounts of what happened, as related to the early Muslim historians by eyewitnesses, do not support this myth. In fact, it was the Qurayza who were caught in an impossible situation at the time between the Muslims and their enemies, the Meccans.
Shortly after arriving in Medina in 622, Muhammad began raiding the merchant caravans traveling to and from neighboring Mecca. He would steal their property and kill anyone who defended it
(Ishaq 424-425). The Jews of Qurayza had nothing to do with this. Like the Meccans, the Jews were traders as well. They neither encouraged Muhammad’s raids, nor shared in his ill-gotten gain.
After a few years of this, the Meccans eventually realized that they would have to try and capture Medina, since it was being used as a base of operations by Muhammad and his pirates. In 627, they sent an army to the outskirts of the city and appeared poised to take it in what has been called the Battle of the Trench (Muhammad dug a trench around the exposed northern and western parts of the city to stop the Meccan military advance).
The Qurayza, who lived to the east of Medina, were thus caught in a bad situation. Not responsible for Muhammad’s war, they were nonetheless drawn into it, particularly when they were approached by a Meccan leader and asked not to assist Muhammad in his defense against the siege (to that point, the Qurayza had contributed digging tools to the Muslims, but not fighters).
The chief of the Qurayza did not wish to even entertain the Meccan envoy, but was tricked into allowing him into his home (Ishaq 674). Once there, the Meccan began making his case that the battle was going against Muhammad and that his fall was imminent. The anguish of the Qurayza chief over the trying circumstances of the position that he felt forced into is noted even by Muslim historians:
When Ka'b heard of Huyayy's coming he shut the door of his fort in his face, and when he asked permission to enter he refused to see him, saying that he was a man of ill omen... Then Huyayy accused him of [being inhospitable]... This so enraged Ka'b that he threw open his door. [Huyayy] said to him, "Good heavens, Ka'b, I have brought you immortal fame and a great army... They have made a firm agreement and promised me that they will not depart until we have made an end of Muhammad and his men. "Ka'b said, "By God, you have brought me immortal shame and an empty cloud while it thunders and lightenings with nothing in it. Woe to you Huyayy, leave me as I am."
(Ishaq 674)
After much “wheedling” by the Meccans, however, the Qurayza leader finally gave in and agreed to stay neutral in the conflict. He would neither contribute troops to the city’s defense nor to its impending capture at the hands of an army with superior numbers. The Muslims would be left on their own to finish what they started with Meccans.
From Muhammad’s perspective, this was a breach of the original constitution of Medina, which he had drawn up for the tribes five years earlier. Since its signing, however, a lot of water had gone under the bridge.
For one thing, several prominent Jewish leaders and poets had been assassinated on Muhammad’s orders. At least one innocent merchant was slain by his Muslim business partner following
Muhammad’s order in 624 for his men to “kill any Jew who falls into your power”
(al-Tabari 7:97). The constitution of Medina certainly hadn’t stopped the Muslims from attacking the other two Jewish tribes – parties to the same agreement – looting their property and then evicting them from their land.
There is little doubt that the troubles brought on Medina by Muhammad, through his mistreatment of the Jews and his relentless pursuit of hostilities against the Meccans, influenced the Qurayza to consider how much better life had been for them prior to his arrival. From their perspective, it would just be a matter of time before Muhammad found an excuse to attack them as well.
Contrary to popular misconceptions, however, the Qurayza did not attack the Muslims. Had they attacked, then it surely would have been the end of Muhammad and his band of pirates, since the southern end of the city was completely exposed to the Qurayza. In a terrible irony, it was the decision not to engage in violence that later sealed the fate of the Jews, who were only the first in a very long line of victims, all off whom horribly overestimated the value that Islam places on the lives of unbelievers.
Interestingly, neither the Meccans nor the Muslims suffered more than a few dozen casualties combined during the entire Battle of the Trench. The weather and the city’s unexpected defenses caused the Meccans to eventually give up and go home after only a handful of attempts to breach the perimeter.
According to Muhammad, the angel Gabriel appeared (disguised with a turban and riding a mule) and provided yet another remarkably convenient revelation, this time telling him to lay siege to the Qurayza stronghold. After twenty-five days, the Jews gave in and surrendered to the prophet of Islam. As Ibn Ishaq puts it, they “submitted themselves to the Apostle’s judgment”
(Ishaq 688).
Another misconception is that Muhammad did not render the death sentence against the Qurayza and was therefore not responsible for it. It is interesting that Muhammad did in fact attempt to offload responsibility on another party, even though later claiming to know what Allah's judgment was in the matter. Still, from the person that he chose to "arbitrate" the judgment to his subsequent reaction, it is obvious that the prophet of Islam both desired and approved of the executions.
First, Muhammad appeared to trick the Qurayza into agreeing with whatever decision on their fate might be rendered by “one of their own.” In fact, this was a Jewish convert to Islam, a Muslim who had fought in the Battle of the Trench. Unbeknownst to the Qurayza, Sa’d bin Muadh had also been one of the few Muslims injured in the battle (Ishaq 689), which one can reasonably assume to have influenced his judgment. According to the Hadith, he was quite eager to continue slaying "unbelievers" even as he lay dying in his tent
(Bukhari 59:448).
Secondly, when Sa’d did render his decree that the men of Qurayza should be killed and their women and children pressed into slavery, Muhammad did not express the slightest bit of disapproval. In fact, the prophet of Islam confirmed this barbaric sentence to be Allah’s judgment as well (
Bukhari 58:148). (This must have been before Allah handed down the verse "... no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another"
(Quran 53:38)).
Consider the contrast between the historical Muhammad and the man of “peace and forgiveness” that today’s Muslims often assure us that he was. In light of the fact that the Qurayza had not killed anyone, wouldn’t a true man of peace have simply sought dialogue with them to try and determine their grievance, find common ground and then resolve the matter with dignity?
Instead,
the prophet of Islam had the men bound with rope. He dug trenches and then began beheading the captives in batches. In a scene that must have resembled the footage of Hitler’s death squads, small groups of helpless Jews, who had done no harm to anyone, were brought out and forced to kneel, staring down at the bodies of others, before their heads were lopped off and their own bodies were pushed down into the ditch.
There is strong evidence that
Muhammad personally engaged in the slaughter. Not only does Ibn Ishaq bluntly say that the Apostle “sent for them” and “made an end of them,” but there is also support for this in the
Qur’an. Verse 33:26 says of the Qurayza, “some you slew, some you took captive.” The Qur’an is supposed to be Allah’s private conversation with Muhammad, so it makes no sense that he would not be included in the word “you” (even though the Arabic is in the plural form).
In any event, there is no denying that
Muhammad found pleasure in the slaughter, particularly after acquiring a pretty
young Jewish girl (freshly "widowed" and thus available to him for sexual servitude) (
Ishaq 693). Other women were not quite as complaint. Ibn Ishaq records the reaction of one woman who literally lost her mind as her family was being killed. The Muslims found her maniacal laughter annoying and beheaded her as well. As Aisha later recounted:
“I shall never forget my wonder at her good spirits and her loud laughter when all the time she knew that she would be killed.”
(Ibn Ishaq 691)
(One can forgive her obtuseness. At that time she and her husband observed the slaughter, the wife of Muhammad was only 12-years-old).
Boys as young as fourteen were executed as well, provided that they had reached puberty. The Muslims ordered the boys to drop their clothes. Those with pubic hair then had their heads chopped off
(Sahih Muslim 4390). There was no point in trying to determine whether or not they were actual combatants because there were none. There had been no combat!
Muhammad parceled out the widows and surviving children as slaves to his men. The wealth accumulated by the Qurayza was also divided. Since the tribe had been a peaceful farming and trading community, there were not enough weapons and horses taken to suit Muhammad’s tastes, so he obtained more of these by trading off some of the Qurayza women in a distant slave market (Ishaq 693).
Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."
Abu Dawud 2:2116
I dont have any muslim relatives. No.
