Does Quran teach peace or war?

[Minimalist]

Or do you get the opposite message from every Muslim that comes here?

I don't really care what they are telling me. Why aren't they telling the bomb-throwers? Hint: That can be dangerous.

[Brian37]

Religion of all stripes are inherently divisive. It sets up an "in group" vs "out group" mentality. It is an anthropomorphic mental placebo for tribes to justify self defense and to abuse others to get resources.

[Muslim Scholar]

If an Islamic country doesn't allow people to convert out of Islam (ie. apostate), do you feel another country has the right to invade to implement freedom of religion? If not, isn't that a double standard?

The problems is that you are assuming that
equality, freedom of religion are human rights, not they aren't!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to think like that

Iff Islam is the true religion
A non-muslim is committing the biggest crime in his life (being not Muslim)
He doesn't have any rights, he even doesn't have the right to live, his punishment is hell forever
However..................
As it is impossible to force him into Islam, God gave him this live to have the chance to revert to Islam before death

In regards of Apostate, he is a person who knew Islam, however he chooses otherwise, because Islam is the only true religion then this person is a very bad (Hopeless) human being, he can be a cause to other people to follow, so he should be eliminated (as a doctor is removing Cancer from the body not to infect the rest)

I know that may words are a bit shocking for you, but it will make sense if Islam is the true religion, If not then it won't make it worse.

[Mystic]

I don't get the logic that God allows Satan to misguide humanity till the last day but won't let an apostate live because he can influence some people to leave Islam. Iblis asks for respite and he is given it, but Muslims are to kill anyone who can possibly influence them to leave Islam?

I don't think you can have ground to say it's wrong for another nation to invade you on that grounds, because, it really doesn't work to say, "well the difference is that we are on the truth while you are one falsehood..." when both sides believe they are right.

Christians believe Christianity is true, so if Muslims can't apostate, then by our own morals, they should invade you and not allow you to implement Islam...

[Muslim Scholar]

I don't get the logic that God allows Satan to misguide humanity till the last day but won't let an apostate live because he can influence some people to leave Islam. Iblis asks for respite and he is given it, but Muslims are to kill anyone who can possibly influence them to leave Islam?

You cannot question Gods' actions, because we don't know how/why God do things?

I don't think you can have ground to say it's wrong for another nation to invade you on that grounds, because, it really doesn't work to say, "well the difference is that we are on the truth while you are one falsehood..." when both sides believe they are right.

This is called relative Vs absolute facts
If you think relatively then you are right
But if Islam is the absolute truth, then your point doesn't have any value

It is like saying that the Mafia think they are right so they should kill police officers.

Christians believe Christianity is true, so if Muslims can't apostate, then by our own morals, they should invade you and not allow you to implement Islam...

They can do whatever they want, God will judge at the end.

[Mystic]

You cannot question Gods' actions, because we don't know how/why God do things?

If this was true, it's better for him to remain silent. We should only implement rules we see the reasoning to. Otherwise, if no reason is apparent, it will seem unreasonable to many.

But if Islam is the absolute truth, then your point doesn't have any value

If Islam is absolute truth, then it can say killing babies are right and that would be true and ok as well. What's your point?

Also, Quran forbids killing apostates that are peaceful and not at war with Muslims in Suratal Nisa.

[KichigaiNeko]

iSlam is a joke perpetrated on the Saudi Bedouin and spread (liken to a disease) to neighbouring countries. They just couldn't keep the contagion to themselves!

[Muslim Scholar]

You cannot question Gods' actions, because we don't know how/why God do things?

If this was true, it's better for him to remain silent. We should only implement rules we see the reasoning to. Otherwise, if no reason is apparent, it will seem unreasonable to many.

As I said in the other thread "What is a proof"
There is a difference between Paradox and contradiction
If you can find a single Paradox in a religion, this will falsify the whole religion
but a contradiction can be a paradox/error or a miss-understanding due to lack of information
As God is not similar to anything we know, if he said that he created people to worship him,
You cannot question that as you don't know something similar to God.

If Islam is absolute truth, then it can say killing babies are right and that would be true and ok as well. What's your point?

Yes, God can order us to do anything
God said:
4: 66. And if We had ordered them (saying), "Kill yourselves (i.e. the innocent ones kill the guilty ones) or leave your homes," very few of them would have done it; but if they had done what they were told, it would have been better for them, and would have strengthened their (Faith);

67. And indeed We should then have bestowed upon them a great reward from Ourselves.

68. And indeed We should have guided them to the Straight Way.

69. And whoso obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddîq (رضي الله عنه), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!

70. Such is the Bounty from Allâh, and Allâh is Sufficient as All-Knower.
But as God is merciful, most of his commands are rational (not all) to make it easier for us to follow
for example he forbidden drugs and made it harmful to our health.

Also, Quran forbids killing apostates that are peaceful and not at war with Muslims in Suratal Nisa.

4: 89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.

God is saying kill them, except if they escaped and joined a group which you have treaty with them.

[Mystic]

Also, Quran forbids killing apostates that are peaceful and not at war with Muslims in Suratal Nisa.

4: 89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.

God is saying kill them, except if they escaped and joined a group which you have treaty with them.

The first thing it says, "those who who join a group between you and who there is a treaty", that is one condition, then it says

"or those who approach you their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people."

The context is that Muslims and unbelievers were fighting, and it's stating if they apostate, and go to fight you, then you kill them, otherwise, if they go back to a people you have a treaty with, or they themselves are from a people who fight you but don't want to fight you or their own people, then God has not giving you a way against them.

And then it states to clarify:

So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.


This encompasses both groups, and basically, everyone who withdraws and doesn't fight and offers peace was not to be killed.

[Muslim Scholar]

4: 89. They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allâh willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.

God is saying kill them, except if they escaped and joined a group which you have treaty with them.

The first thing it says, "those who who join a group between you and who there is a treaty", that is one condition, then it says

"or those who approach you their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people."

The context is that Muslims and unbelievers were fighting, and it's stating if they apostate, and go to fight you, then you kill them, otherwise, if they go back to a people you have a treaty with, or they themselves are from a people who fight you but don't want to fight you or their own people, then God has not giving you a way against them.

And then it states to clarify:

So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allâh has opened no way for you against them.


This encompasses both groups, and basically, everyone who withdraws and doesn't fight and offers peace was not to be killed.

Yes, but peace with Muslim has restrictions

• they will pay Gizian (A sort of small tax)
  
• Allow Muslims to practice Islam or invite others to it
  
• Will not help other enemies against Muslims