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The Spirit Molecule
#11
RE: The Spirit Molecule
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#12
RE: The Spirit Molecule
(March 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm)catfish Wrote:
(March 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm)jstrodel Wrote: There is lots of stuff released in your body. That doesn't mean you should smoke it.

You don't understand DMT then. It's a chemical that your own body produces. It doesn't require "smoking" and there are several studies that you may be interested in.
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I see stuff all the time from taking psychedelics. Don't tell me I don't understand DMT. I understand it perfectly well. Drugs are dangerous. The fact that something occurs naturally does not mean that it is harmless. There are plenty of chemicals that occur naturally inside your body that if you injested, they would kill you. Try eating feces.
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#13
RE: The Spirit Molecule
I don't think anyone ever said it was harmless or that it couldn't be a bad experience.

Nevertheless, in my experience... people who ingest DMT have probably had some form of mental health issues already as a result of their genetics and environment, so the DMT isn't the thing that fucks them up.

In other words, they have already had more harmful experiences than the norm. They turn to the DMT for psychotherapy. People who live happy lives in a bubble and have never questioned anything won't be on a forum like this discussing like this.

Furthermore, the shaman who will guide ChadWooters on his mid-life Ayahuasca experience will not actually do Ayahuasca. They have achieved their experience through decades of practice.

This is simply an acknowledgement of different levels of concious awareness.
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#14
RE: The Spirit Molecule
(March 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm)jstrodel Wrote:
(March 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm)catfish Wrote: You don't understand DMT then. It's a chemical that your own body produces. It doesn't require "smoking" and there are several studies that you may be interested in.
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I see stuff all the time from taking psychedelics. Don't tell me I don't understand DMT. I understand it perfectly well. Drugs are dangerous. The fact that something occurs naturally does not mean that it is harmless. There are plenty of chemicals that occur naturally inside your body that if you injested, they would kill you. Try eating feces.

Ummmmm.. you see what all the time from taking psychedelics? Are you saying you take them? Or that you see the effects of people who take them and if so, where?
Also, Catfish: I wouldn't suggest trying to eat feces. He's just messin with yaWink
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Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

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I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#15
RE: The Spirit Molecule
uhhhhhhhh

I never had that.

And although my drugdays are over, I am curious.
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#16
RE: The Spirit Molecule
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I see stuff all the time from using LSD, mushrooms, salvia, Ketamine, MDMA, and other psychedelics together. I have never done DMT though. I would recommend not using psychedelic drugs, unless you want to mess your brain up really bad. Peoples personalities change and they get weird. Drugs are bad.

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Are you aware of the teaching in the New Testament about pharmakei / taking drugs as sorcery / magic experinces? I have become severly demonized doing this. I would seriously recommend not doing ayahauasca. The BIble also forbids drinking to drunkenness. Which I think covers this.
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I believe those verses were put in because the church did not want their sheep to be taking mind alternating drugs other than Jesus, least they get the same sort of experiences or even more intense than they get from Jesus. I swear Jesus is probably the worst mind alternating drug you can take, because it impairs a large amount of your thinking Wink
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#17
RE: The Spirit Molecule
Quote:Ummmmm.. you see what all the time from taking psychedelics? Are you saying you take them? Or that you see the effects of people who take them and if so, where?

Halos and colors and crap like that. I haven't taken psychedelic drugs since I was 20 (7 years ago). It is real, you have bad effects. I could have fried my brain really badly if I kept going with it. Everyone knows someone who gets into psychedelics and it screws them up.
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#18
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OH NO halos and colors. I knew that was a possible result of taking psychedelics beforehand, and it did not stop me since I have always seen halos, auras, and spotted shit in my vision (visual snow). Nothing terribly scary until I was prescribed, legally, adderall. Seeing faceless people that aren't really there even when off meds and other drugs is no fun, son.
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#19
RE: The Spirit Molecule
(March 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm)naimless Wrote: Anyone else had pretty heavy DMT experiences? Anything from dreaming to hallucinations, from meditation to drugs.

What is "DMT"?
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#20
RE: The Spirit Molecule
(March 10, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What is "DMT"?

DMT
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