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Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
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Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
http://www.viewpointonline.net/were-ther...tists.html

Rational thought in the Muslim world developed during the reign of liberal Muslim rulers of the Abbasid dynasty. However it was after the rise of scholars like Al-Ghazali that all scientific reasoning came to an end in the 13th century

As we remain enamored by our past achievements in the sciences, we forget that there is very little “original” we as Muslims can celebrate and be proud of.

It was during the reign of Abbasid caliphs, particularly Mamun-ur-Rashid (around 813 CE) that in his Dar-ul-Hikmah (the house of wisdom) in Baghdad, the Muslim scholars would begin translating the classic Greek works, primarily toeing the Aristotelian tradition. In addition, they were heavily relying on Persian and Indian sources. They also penned huge commentaries on works by Greek philosophers. However, the Muslim translators were small in number and were primarily driven by curiosity. More than ninety nine percent Arabic translations of works of Greek philosophers were done by either Christian or Jewish scholars. It is interesting to note that Islamic astronomy, based on Ptolemy’s system was geocentric. Algebra was originally a Greek discipline and ‘Arabic’ numbers were actually Indian.

Most of these works were available to the West during 12th century when the first renaissance was taking place. Although Western scholars did travel to Spain to study Arabic versions of classical Greek thought, they soon found out that better versions of original texts in Greek were also available in the libraries of the ancient Greek city of Byzantium.

However, it would be unfair not to mention some of those great Muslim scholars, though very few in number, who genuinely contributed in the development of philosophy and science.

Al-Razi (865 – 925 CE) from Persia, the greatest of all Muslim physicians, philosophers and alchemists wrote 184 articles and books, dismissed revelation and considered religion a dangerous thing. Al-Razi was condemned for blasphemy and almost all his books were destroyed later.

Ibn-e-Sina or Avicinna (980-1037CE), another great physician, philosopher and scientist was an Uzbek. Avicenna held philosophy superior to theology. His views were in sharp contrast to central Islamic doctrines and he rejected the resurrection of the dead in flesh and blood. As a consequence of his views, he became main target of Al-Ghazali and was labeled an apostate.

Ibn-e-Rushd (1126-1198 CE) or Averroes from Spain was a philosopher and scientist who expounded the Quran in Aristotelian terms. He was found guilty of heresy, his books burnt, he was interrogated and banished from Lucena.

Al-Bairuni (973-1048 CE), the father of Indology and a versatile genius, was of the strong view that Quran has its own domain and it does not interfere with the realm of science.

Al-Khawarazmi (780-850 CE) was another Persian mathematician, astronomer and geographer. The historian Al-Tabri considered him a Zoroastrian while others thought that he was a Muslim. However nowhere in his works has he acknowledged Islam or linked any of his findings to the holy text.

Omar Kyayyam(1048-1131 CE), one of the greatest mathematicians, astronomers and poets was highly critical of religion, particularly Islam. He severely criticized the idea that every event and phenomena was the result of divine intervention.

Al-Farabi(872-950 CE), another great Muslim philosopher, highly inspired by Aristotle, considered reason superior to revelation and advocated for the relegation of prophecy to philosophy.

Abu Musa Jabir- bin- Hayan or Geber (721-815 CE) was an accomplished Muslim alchemist cum pharmacist. Althouigh he was inclined towards mysticism, he fully acknowledged the role of experimentation in scientific endeavors.

Ibn-ul-haitham or Hazen (965-1040 CE) was an outstanding physicist, mathematician, astronomer and an expert on optics. He was ordered by Fatimid King Al-Hakim to regulate the floods of the Nile, which he knew was not scientifically possible. He feigned madness and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

As we go through the life history of these great men we find that they were influenced by Greek, Babylonian or Indian contributions to philosophy and science, had a critical and reasoning mind and were ‘not good’ Muslims or even atheists. A significant number of them were reluctant to even reveal the status of their beliefs for fear of reprisal from the fanatics. They never ascribed their achievements to Islam or divinity. And they were scholars and scientists because of a critical mind which would think and derive inspiration from observation and not scriptures which set restrictions on free thinking and unhindered pursuit of knowledge.

Hence bringing in Islam to highlight achievements of Muslim scientists is nothing but sheer rhetoric as these men did not derive their achievements out of Islam or flourished due to Islam. And we find that whatever little contribution to science was made can be owed to ‘imperfect Muslims’.

However it was the ‘perfect Muslim’, the Islamist, from the 12th century who was to give the biggest blow to scientific thought in the Muslim world. Imam Ghazali (1058-1111 CE) who still occupies a centre stage among Muslim philosophers openly denounced the laws of nature and scientific reasoning. Ghazali argued that any such laws would put God’s hands in chains. He would assert that a piece of cotton burns when put to fire, not because of physical reasons but because God wants it to burn. Ghazali was also a strong supporter of the Ash’arites; philosophers who would uphold the precedence of divine intervention over physical phenomena and bitterly opposed the Mu’tazillites; the rationalists who were the true upholders of scientific thought.

In other words Ghazali championed the cause of orthodoxy and dogmatism at the cost of rationality and scientific reasoning. Today we find that all four major schools of ‘Sunni’ Islam reject the concept of ‘Ijtehad’ which can loosely be translated as ‘freedom of thought’. Hence there is absolutely no room for any innovation or modification in traditional thought patterns. We also find that as Europe was making use of technology while transforming into a culture of machines, the acceptance of these machines was extremely slow in the Islamic world. One prime example is that of the printing press which reached Muslim lands in 1492; however printing was banned by Islamic authorities because they believed the Koran would be dishonored by appearing out of a machine. As a result, Arabs did not acquire printing press until the 18th century.

It also stands established that science is born out of secularism and democracy and not religious dogmatism. And science only flourished in places where religion had no role to play in matters of state. Hence there is an inverse relationship between religious orthodoxy and progress in science. Rational thought in the Muslim world developed during the reign of liberal Muslim rulers of the Abbasid dynasty who patronized the Mu’tazillites or rational thinkers.

However it was after the religious zealots’ compilation of the ahadis and the rise of scholars like Al-Ghazali that all scientific reasoning came to an end in the 13th century.

As a consequence the Muslims contributed almost nothing to scientific progress and human civilization since the dawn of the 13th century. And while science and technology flourish in the modern world, a vast majority of Muslims, engulfed by obscurantism, still find solace in fantasies of a bygone era------the so called ‘golden age’ of Islam.

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It's something I've been thinking about recently whether "Muslim" scientists that are so consistently glorified as part of an Islamic Golden Age really were Muslims or not. What's the real story? I would really like to know more.

Edit: Yikes! I sincerely apologize for the horrible typos in the thread title :/
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
Quote:Edit: Yikes! I sincerely apologize for the horrible typos in the thread title :/


I thought you might have been drinking. Big Grin

But a world of debt is owed to muslim scholars who kept The Greco-Roman classics alive while the church was burning fucking libraries.

Of course, when al-Ghazzali came along to be the Jerry Falwell of islam and insist that believing in bullshit was more important than knowing stuff you did start on the long road down into the shitter.

C'est la vie.
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
Chalk the errors down to nervousness!

It's been something I've been reading up on now today.

My conjecture is that the Islamic civilization may have benefited from the works of many scientists that were kept alive during a period of growth and economic prosperity (which no doubt a relatively stable empire provided them). In other words, I no longer think that just because discoveries and developments happened during a time when Islam was the state religion of the empire, means that those developments ought to be attributed to Islam.

Also, if Muslim apologists continue to harp that just because *some* people within the Muslim world are fanatics and prone towards violence and archaic ways of living, then Islam isn't to blame - then if some scientists that managed to grow or sustain the field of science and save knowledge, then Islam wasn't the cause of that either Wink
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
Civilization always benefits when scientists call the shots and religious fuckwits are ignored.
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
I was to understand that it was the Persian scholars and not muslim that kept the knowledge of Greco-Roman discoveries alive during the dark ages.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
A distinction which is irrelevant after the mid-7th century, Kichi. The Byzantines and Persians had chewed each other to bits leaving them easy targets for the Arabs. By 651 the Sassanid dynasty of Persia had been overrun and only sporadic local resistance remained. The question is, 'how "islamic" were the invaders.

Part of Robert Spencer's thesis is that it was the conquest of non-Arabic populations which caused the rulers to invent "Islam" as a unifying force for their empire....and idea which they shamelessly copied from the earlier actions of Constantine inventing xtianity.
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
So essentially islam has no reason to claim anything and is only a faint echo of what has gone before....like a desert wind.










So islam is just a brain fart?
ROFLOL
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
Like all religions.
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RE: Any furhter verification / vlidation for this? Great Muslim Scholars
If you actually read Al-Ghazali's works you can see that he did not advise against science but instead taught that Muslims should value it.

How works are accessible reads and "Deliverance from Error" is great place to start.

Likewise he is accused of rejecting Greek philosophy but as you can see in the Stanford encyclopaedia of philosophy - this is another misrepresentation.

I only say this as I have actually read his works and not trusted the erroneous sources that have unfortunately deceived so many here too.

Faith in anti-religious sources is suspected though I suppose... but a realistic view will win out in sincere company.
Kudos given by (1): Dawud
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