Bombs Go Off at Finish Line of Boston Marathon

[A Theist]

[quote='Creed of Heresy' pid='432592' dateline='1366247045']

The Romans are perhaps one of the sole examples of a civilization that was a war-power that are still respected, and this is largely because they were highly disciplined and in their wake, those conquered benefited from being brought under Roman control, for the most part.

The Romans are your 'one good empire' example?

I imagine that those they conquered *would* benefit, seeing as the romans happily engaged in that whole 'infrastructure building' thing.

Creed is right...when you compare the Roman Empire to other ancient empires like the Assyrians or the Babylonians, the Romans were far better...like Persia, the Romans made allies of those they conquered, (except if they were crossed, they could be brutal)...and like you said, the conquered did benefit from their building enterprises, especially from the roads they built which opened up trade and enriched those in the whole region...The Roman military also doubled as the Empire's road construction crew...their roads were so well built, that some are still in use today...So yeah, everyone benefited from Roman rule as long as they weren't crossed..

[Violet]

Creed is right...when you compare the Roman Empire to other ancient empires like the Assyrians or the Babylonians, the Romans were far better...like Persia, the Romans made allies of those they conquered, (except if they were crossed, they could be brutal)...and like you said, the conquered did benefit from their building enterprises, especially from the roads they built which opened up trade and enriched those in the whole region...The Roman military also doubled as the Empire's road construction crew...their roads were so well built, that some are still in use today...So yeah, everyone benefited from Roman rule as long as they weren't crossed..

Dat Coliseum, mang. Good stuff. I mean... dayum.

Didn't someone here say that the Mongols built additional trade and roads? I didn't even bring this shit up, but other peeps have to go so far as to make an exception of it in their point. Doesn't make sense to use the same exception as your main point. But you're not the one who made the exception either

Also... the vassals of conquered nations typically benefit from the conquering army if they are attacked by another force. Nations tend to not like having their revenue assaulted But heaven forbid you anger a nation mightier than your own, hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

[Tiberius]

Chechen Muslims! Who'd ever imagined that it was religious extremists?!!!

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...9-07-01-55

Well done. You've displayed your erroneous preconceptions very nicely. When will people like you learn that a person's religion isn't necessarily the cause of them to commit acts of terror?

To see that a terrorist is Muslim and then assume, without any evidence at all, that they committed these acts in the name of Islam, is highly illogical.

We don't know why they committed these acts. They don't even seem to be affiliated with any Islamic terrorist groups. Heck, one of them apparently wanted to become a member of the American Olympic boxing team. Let's get the facts straight before we start jumping to conclusions, hmm?

[thesummerqueen]

Let's get the facts straight before we start jumping to conclusions, hmm?

What for? The American Media wouldn't have any fear and grief mongering to capitalize on if we did that.

[CapnAwesome]

We don't know why they committed these acts. They don't even seem to be affiliated with any Islamic terrorist groups. Heck, one of them apparently wanted to become a member of the American Olympic boxing team. Let's get the facts straight before we start jumping to conclusions, hmm?

Seeing as his choices would be the US or the Russian boxing team that statement means absolutely nothing. What other conclusion can be jumped to? What possible other motivation could these guys have other than a religious on. This fits not only the MO of many Islamic bombings around the world (with random civilian bombings) but it would be an enormous coincidence if they just happened to be Muslim. There simply isn't a large Muslim population in the US.

[Faith No More]

Hmmmm....Well FNM, from the photos just released by the FBI the two "people of interest" don't look exactly white either....if a picture captured a brown person putting down a suspicious looking package in the very spot just moments before where the explosion occurred, then I don't suppose law enforcement would be looking for two white guys...

They look pretty white to me...

Anyways, if they had a picture of a brown guy putting a package down, no, they wouldn't be looking for two white guys. The fact of the matter is, however, that they had nothing on this guy other than he was a Saudi Arabian with burns. Like I said, look for the brown guy.

[Napoléon]

What possible other motivation could these guys have other than a religious on.

Just because you can't think of any doesn't mean there aren't any.

[Tiberius]

Seeing as his choices would be the US or the Russian boxing team that statement means absolutely nothing.

Bullshit. It shows that he was, at one point, trying to become an American citizen; to represent the nation at an international level. That doesn't scream "western-hating Islamic extremist" to me.

What other conclusion can be jumped to?

NONE! That's the entire point. We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions at all.

What possible other motivation could these guys have other than a religious on.

Some sources say they had trouble fitting in; that they had no real American friends. It's entirely possible this was just them trying to get back at a society which they viewed as having turned against and rejected them. It's at least one possible motivation; one that I should note is very similar to the one the Columbine and Georgia Tech shooters had.

This fits not only the MO of many Islamic bombings around the world (with random civilian bombings) but it would be an enormous coincidence if they just happened to be Muslim. There simply isn't a large Muslim population in the US.

No it doesn't. These weren't suicide bombers for one; which is a popular form of attack by Islamic extremists. Secondly, they ran after the bombs occurred, rather than leaving a message and claiming responsibility. Islamic terrorist groups usually like to draw attention to the fact that they did it. The only thing that seems to fit the "Islamic terrorism" idea is the fact that they were Muslims, which simply isn't enough to link to the two together. We need more information.

[Minimalist]

We need more information.

Well one is already dead and if the other is not taken alive then we are not likely to ever get those answers.

Oh, we'll get whatever the cops claim they found but whether or not it is the truth is an open question.

[Cato]

Hmmmm....Well FNM, from the photos just released by the FBI the two "people of interest" don't look exactly white either....if a picture captured a brown person putting down a suspicious looking package in the very spot just moments before where the explosion occurred, then I don't suppose law enforcement would be looking for two white guys...

They look pretty white to me...

The irony, it burns...
Now knowing that the suspects were from Chechnya.