Untruths?

[Edwardo Piet]

Nice semi-preach.

EvF

[fr0d0]

What does that mean?? Why aren't you responding??

[Edwardo Piet]

I mean that you made loads of nice little assertions on 'what Jesus can do' and how that's 'much like Neo'....nice...but basically half way to preaching. "Jesus can do X, Y and Z cos he's a real cool fella!".

EvF

[fr0d0]

I'm hardly 'asserting'. I'm just repeating the accepted statements of Christianity as this is the subject. You're retreating into your E shell I fear. You're the one questioning the parable - I'm simply trying to illustrate it clearly. To help you to understand the point, as you are challenging my explanation.

Y'know.. in this reality... Jesus can do this stuff. None of it is ever provable. Don't worry, I'm not trying to catch you out here. Come out and play!!

[Edwardo Piet]

My point is that simply saying what Jesus said (i.e: Asserting it) is completely uninteresting to this discussion, because I've been questioning how what Jesus said was true. Then you just give me a bunch of stuff he can do according to Christianity. A bunch of claims....

...what validity do such claims have? What's the point? You're just saying stuff about Jesus, lol. I consider it a semi-preach because I believe you mentioned it constructively. But they are mere claims and I don't see how they add any clarity whatsoever, they're just statements.

EvF

[fr0d0]

Because it's related to the mountain statement directly. It helps to understand it. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. You're talking Jesus so surely other things stated about Jesus are relevant. Fair enough if I started talking to you about fried worms - but I didn't. I kept precisely on subject.

It's what he's saying.. directly. You're going on about literally moving mountains - that is completely missing the point. He embodies 100% faith. So he = the mover of mountains. We (Christians) aspire to this. He points out our weakness. Where's the problem???

[theVOID]

Jesus, if he lived, was a delusional jewish, hippy, preacher with a messianic complex....

IF he lived at all.

[Edwardo Piet]

What the fuck?

fr0d0, I stated several times in my last few posts that I'm not talking about literal mountains. But either literal or metaphorical.

My point is that you said that the fact we can't move mountains with our faith, is a demonstration that our faith is weak. But whether these mountains are literal, or analogously difficult and metaphorical - where does Jesus show that the 'mountains' aren't moved by us because our faith is weak, as you implied? The fact we can't move literal/metaphorical mountains doesn't automatically imply it's anything to do with faith.

EvF

[fr0d0]

All he's talking about is faith. He directly says so. How plain does it have to be FFS?

[Edwardo Piet]

1. You said that Jesus was saying how our faith is weak that's why we can't move mountains. 2. How does the fact we can't move mountains mean it's because our 'faith is weak'?

EvF