Richard Carrier

[Faith No More]

Meh nothing. Your religion is just as much human concocted bullshit as any other. Not our fault you refuse to face that.

..and you have proof of that?? or are you speaking form a position of faith?

If you or any other myth lover of any other label had any lick of evidence for their god, any one of you could go to the patent office and win a Nobel Prize.

Even in Christ's time when people were being healed and all of the major miricals were happening, people still found away to justify their current beliefs. No one really wants proof. They want to be made to believe either by force or to be able to manipulate and benfit from God somehow.

Christ Himself points this out in mt 11. That the places where the greatest miricals took place people were not inclined to believe. (Unless it happened to them. See the story of the man possed by legion, He was run out of that town before anything else could be done)

What does god think of you using the jerkoff smiley?

[Drich]

..and you have proof of that?? or are you speaking form a position of faith?


Even in Christ's time when people were being healed and all of the major miricals were happening, people still found away to justify their current beliefs. No one really wants proof. They want to be made to believe either by force or to be able to manipulate and benfit from God somehow.

Christ Himself points this out in mt 11. That the places where the greatest miricals took place people were not inclined to believe. (Unless it happened to them. See the story of the man possed by legion, He was run out of that town before anything else could be done)

What does god think of you using the jerkoff smiley?

or I cant say for sure.

[Faith No More]

Are you sure it's not ?

[Drich]

Are you sure it's not ?

why would it be ?

Nobel prizes or more over the supposed prestege of this trival prize is everything jerkoff smiley repersents.

For God counts the wisdom of man as foolishness.

[Faith No More]

Jerkoff smiley also represents a man stroking his penis.

(I interpret smileys in a literal way, not that hippy, metaphorical crap.)

[Drich]

Jerkoff smiley also represents a man stroking his penis.

(I interpret smileys in a literal way, not that hippy, metaphorical crap.)

As do I, so long as the dipiction warrants such an interpertation. As Jerkoff smiley's penis has been omitted from the animation sequence, the literal meaning should default to the "Hippy metaphorical crap." Unless you are saying you think you see a Penis being stroked.. If that is the case then for your sake I will refrain from using the Jerkoff smiley

[Lord Privy Seal]

Just a reminder if you want to speak topically Minnie, we are discussing how your boy's arguement fails and how it mirrors every other fail arguement based on the avaiable 'facts' in the remaining roman record. Not biblical context.

You might do a better job of that if you actually watched the video so you could find out what "our boy's" argument is.

[Minimalist]

"Our argument" is that his kind have nothing but brain farts and phony texts and the fact that no one paid the attention to his bullshit until the later 2d century is just "one of those things."

There is always a problem with shitheads like drippy and the rest.

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[A_Nony_Mouse]

Even in Christ's time when people were being healed and all of the major miricals

Considering most of them were healing the sick just as on god TV today and intangibles like "forgiveness" it is hardly surprising people ignored them -- except for the same type of fruitcakes who watch god TV.

were happening, people still found away to justify their current beliefs. No one really wants proof. They want to be made to believe either by force or to be able to manipulate and benfit from God somehow.

Christ Himself points this out in mt 11. That the places where the greatest miricals took place people were not inclined to believe. (Unless it happened to them. See the story of the man possed by legion, He was run out of that town before anything else could be done)

One would have thought the point is he was preaching a doomsday cult and noted all NT is regarding the end coming real soon. If he did exist it is no surprise the authorities dismissed him as a crank.

The surprise is after failing to return "real soon" the cult managed to continue instead of being ridiculed out of existence.

[Minimalist]

You know, Mouse, when Tacitus reports that Vespasian performed "healing miracles" I bet drippy is right up there denouncing such superstition.....but his godboy is "different", of course.

[4.81] In the months during which Vespasian was waiting at Alexandria for the periodical return of the summer gales and settled weather at sea, many wonders occurred which seemed to point him out as the object of the favour of heaven and of the partiality of the Gods. One of the common people of Alexandria, well known for his blindness, threw himself at the Emperor's knees, and implored him with groans to heal his infirmity. This he did by the advice of the God Serapis, whom this nation, devoted as it is to many superstitions, worships more than any other divinity. He begged Vespasian that he would deign to moisten his cheeks and eye-balls with his spittle. Another with a diseased hand, at the counsel of the same God, prayed that the limb might feet the print of a Caesar's foot. At first Vespasian ridiculed and repulsed them. They persisted; and he, though on the one hand he feared the scandal of a fruitless attempt, yet, on the other, was induced by the entreaties of the men and by the language of his flatterers to hope for success. At last he ordered that the opinion of physicians should be taken, as to whether such blindness and infirmity were within the reach of human skill. They discussed the matter from different points of view. "In the one case," they said, "the faculty of sight was not wholly destroyed, and might return, if the obstacies were removed; in the other case, the limb, which had fallen into a diseased condition, might be restored, if a healing influence were applied; such, perhaps, might be the pleasure of the Gods, and the Emperor might be chosen to be the minister of the divine will; at any rate, all the glory of a successful remedy would be Caesar's, while the ridicule of failure would fall on the sufferers." And so Vespasian, supposing that all things were possible to his good fortune, and that nothing was any longer past belief, with a joyful countenance, amid the intense expectation of the multitude of bystanders, accomplished what was required. The hand was instantly restored to its use, and the light of day again shone upon the blind. Persons actually present attest both facts, even now when nothing is to be gained by falsehood.

Tacitus - The Histories