Concept of God (In-depth)

[Joel]

chosen prophets who weren't illiterate

Muhammad could not read or write.

[peacemaker]

chosen prophets who weren't illiterate

Muhammad could not read or write.

Of course. Muhammad was illiterate, but this don't mean that all the other thousands of prophets were too, it is illogical to think that.

[Joel]

First you said:

You must realise that god has chosen prophets who weren't illiterate

Muhammad, the main prophet, was illiterate. Why is it illogical to think that others are also illiterate?

[Kayenneh]

And isn't it wonderful how the primary source is redundant that way?

[Gearbreak]

What is with theists and walls of useless text?

[Tonus]

What is with theists and walls of useless text?

They're accustomed to reading lots of useless text.

[Joel]

What is with theists and walls of useless text?

They're accustomed to reading lots of useless text.

You know what they say... "Garbage in: garbage out."

[Baalzebutt]

Muhammad could not read or write.

Of course. Muhammad was illiterate, but this don't mean that all the other thousands of prophets were too, it is illogical to think that.

Interesting to me that you don't try to refute the sheepfucker bit...

But the question remains: What are the specific attributes of your god?

[CleanShavenJesus]

Jesus.

Well, I'll address some of the original post.

The Most Concise Definition of God
"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependent on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependent on Him.

I have trouble with you using any holy book as evidence because there is nothing to prove the validity of anything in any holy book that's ever existed.

Also, Old Testament of the Bible says Yahweh is the creator. And you can't prove either one to be true.

4. The fourth test, which is the most stringent is, "There is none like unto Him". The moment you can imagine or compare ‘God’ to anything, then he (the candidate to divinity) is not God. It is not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God. We know that Rajneesh was a human being, having two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth and a white flowing beard. Photographs and posters of Rajneesh are available in plenty. The moment you can imagine or draw a mental picture of an entity, then that entity is not God.

Many are tempted to make anthropomorphic comparisons of God. Take for instance, Arnold Schwarzenegger, the famous body builder and Hollywood actor, who won the title of ‘Mr. Universe’, the strongest man in the world. Let us suppose that someone says that Almighty God is a thousand times stronger than Arnold Schwarzenegger. The moment you can compare any entity to God, whether the comparison is to Schwarzenegger or to King Kong, whether it is a thousand times or a million times stronger, it fails the Qur’anic criterion, "There is none like unto Him".
Thus, the ‘acid test’ cannot be passed by anyone except the One True God.
The following verse of the Glorious Qur’an conveys a similar message:

"No vision can grasp Him
But His grasp is over
All vision: He is
Above all comprehension,
Yet is acquainted with all things."
[Al-Qur'an 6:103]

Again, proving nothing with nothing does not prove much. I can write a holy book myself and claim the Flying Spaghetti Monster is superior to all. That the Flying Spaghetti Monster is above all comprehension yet is acquainted with all things.

It's highly convienent the writers of the Quoran wrote that he's above our comprehension. Now suckers like you will buy into anything the book says.

God does not perform ungodly acts:
Realise, the attributes of Almighty God preclude any evil since God is the source of justice, mercy and truth. God can never be thought of as doing an ungodly act. Hence we cannot imagine God telling a lie, being unjust, making a mistake, forgetting things, or having any such human failings. Similarly God can do injustice if He chooses to, but He will never do it because being unjust is an ungodly act.



The Qur’an says:

"Allah is never unjust In the least degree." [Al-Qur'an 4:40]

God can be unjust if He chooses to be so, but the moment God does injustice, He ceases to be God.

God does not make mistakes

God can make mistakes if He wants to, but He does not make mistakes because making a mistake is an ungodly act. The Qur’an says:

"…my Lord never errs." [Holy Qur'an 20:52]

The moment God makes a mistake, he ceases to be God.

God does not forget

God can forget if He wants to. But God does not forget anything because forgetting is an ungodly act, which reeks of human limitations and failings. The Qur’an says:

"…my Lord never errs, nor forgets." [Al-Qur’an 20:52]

Wait...so...God can do no wrong...because the Quoran says so? That's your justification for ANYTHING Allah does? Do you realize that there is no reason to believe anything the Quoran says?

If Charles Manson writes a book meant for a religious, or cult following, and claims in the book that He is supreme and can do no wrong, can we let him out of prison? He was just, it says it in his holy book.

Predicted response: No, Charles Manson is a mortal man, and God does not take human form.

Answer to predicted response: First off, you don't know God can't take human form. You're just spewing shit out of your holy book which is NOT PROVEN MORE THAN ANY OTHER HOLY BOOK. Second, Charles Manson is actually God. Prove me wrong.




Start providing evidence that does not involve your Quoran. There's no reason your Quoran is more true than the Bible. And if you respond with a quote FROM THE QUORAN that says the Quoran is true, I will strangle you.