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Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
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Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 5, 2013 at 8:47 am
http://soi.blogspot.ca/2013/05/spooky-ac...bells.html

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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 5, 2013 at 9:38 am


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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm
I cannot discuss this article, because my knowledge about the subject is inadequate.
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 6, 2013 at 10:16 am
"at a distance".... of a few nano-meters... -.-'
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 6, 2013 at 3:58 pm
(May 6, 2013 at 10:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: "at a distance".... of a few nano-meters... -.-'

We wouldn't be able to verify that as the uncertainty is governed by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle at sub-atomic scale.

In Bell's theorem types of experiment, people are claiming that even if the particles travel to the end of the galaxy, they will exert an influence instantaneously on each other, hence spooky action at a distance.
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 7, 2013 at 4:06 am
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    • So if A is false, we cannot conclude that B is false. Therefore we don't have any conclusive proof of non-locality.
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 7, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(May 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm)Luminox Wrote: I cannot discuss this article, because my knowledge about the subject is inadequate.

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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Do you think that information can travel faster-than-light?

This seems to be of the same order of problem as that, methinks.
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 14, 2013 at 5:50 am
It depends on your definition of "information", Sal.
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RE: Spooky Action at a Distance and Bell's Theorem Revisited
May 14, 2013 at 7:17 am
(May 14, 2013 at 5:50 am)Aractus Wrote: It depends on your definition of "information", Sal.

A physics teacher explained to me a pole thought experiment: Let's say you have a 3*10^8 meter long pole attached to pushing a ball off a similarly long table.

The physics teacher said that the information here (of the pole pushing the ball off the table) would be instantaneous, i.e. as soon as you push on the other end of the pole, the resulting movement of the entire pole would result in pushing the ball off the table.

I argued, in response, due to non-locality of time and space that it would take ~1 second for the contraction of the pole (the atoms in the pole contracting and pushing each other) to make the action possible; think of it like a wave of contraction moving down the pole, together with time being non-local.

We didn't really get past this impasse - I wonder if a similar experiment has been done testing something similar out (obviously doesn't have to be on the order of ~1 second) but what about GPS satellites? don't they account for this all the time?
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