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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 8:50 am
(May 14, 2013 at 10:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: And it would been a little better if was non-partisanship republic, but it's not.
I disagree. If the elected leaders were all on the same side, they could pass pretty much any legislation they wanted. If you think they're doing a bad job now, imagine if they were effectively unstoppable.
One thing I like about a democratic system of government is that it tends to have various groups pulling in different directions. Sure, some good ideas will die this way, but I'm thinking that a whole lot of bad ones also fail to pass.
About the only time you get a "non-partisan" government is when it's an individual or small group that has all of the power. And history has many examples of those, and don't think that any of them were preferable to the partisan 'mess' we have in the USA.
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 8:57 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2013 at 9:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm with you on this one. A situation in which two groups of extremely powerful jackasses effectively cancel each other's bad ideas out is far better than a situation in which one monolithic bloc of jackasses makes bad decisions unimpeded.
I don't know if that still works for us tho.....ahem:
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 9:27 am
I agree as well.
Anyways, anyone with me? I feel a huge task lies ahead of me, anyone want to walk this path with me?
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm
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(May 15, 2013 at 2:44 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:We are able to rid ourselves of the same ones we elect if they do not represent us as we like.
Actually, we get only a choice of the lesser of two evils because the republicunts keep nominating CRAZY and they are only getting worse.
Actually there is very little good to say about either party. What the republicans were crying about a few years ago, the democrats are now crying about, so the whining goes on and we the people get left out. In my opinion it's time for a whole sale change in those who represent us.
@ MysticKnight, if this country is so bad why then are people from around the world trying so hard to become a part of us.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Anyone wanting to take this burden with me?
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 6:06 pm
(May 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ MysticKnight, if this country is so bad why then are people from around the world trying so hard to become a part of us.
The US is also looked at very condescendingly in a lot of the world. Many immigrants are going home or to other countries now that jobs are scarce. The only reason they came here was for opportunity.
@ MysticKnight, I don't wish to take on your burden. The reason is because I'm too little. You need an advantage to make a change. If you have money, or are a celebrity, or are a lobbyist, you have sway. Things are the way they are for the time being, and we are all powerless to change it. Revolution would be futile and we can't protest like they did in the 60's. We're stuck with what we have: A choice between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. The best we can do is try and make baby steps in the right direction.
Or wait 50 years for the Vulcans to come  .
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Knowledge will make you powerful.
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm
No. Knowledge will make you realize how powerless you really are. Example: Humanity in contrast to the universe.
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 6:32 pm
It's a worth a try, even if failure is inevitable.
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RE: The burden of wisdom/enlightenment, being good is too hard!
May 15, 2013 at 8:29 pm
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(May 15, 2013 at 8:07 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Brian, mob rule without wisdom, can be oppressive. Yet with wisdom, it can possible be not. But republics are oppressive and manipulative for certain. Even if all their laws were out of wisdom and just, it would still be oppressive in that, we are negated our rights from ruling.
All this balance of power talk is really just a mess and way of compromise to oppression and blind trust.
You can count me out of the social contract. When did we all gather and agree upon it? We were just told we agree upon it and are under some social contract.
What a joke. We are a bunch of drones, everyone thinking they are free.
Bullshit! Balance of power and separation of powers is the opposite of fascism and in a very literal sense reflect evolutionary diversity. Now, where monopolies are created are through marketing and propaganda, but that does not make the tool of compromise invalid.
What would you replace it with? Let me guess, "Just do it my way"?
Or no government at all? No all that does is create a power vacuum that gets filled and not always by people who are on your side.
Our system being abused is not because of the concept, it is because the bullies with the money are gaming the system.
So the only options are mob rule by vote, dictatorship, or anarchy which just leads to power through money.
Humans evolved to be social and prefer oder, all be it through the prism of personal bias. And since we all have our own personal bias COMPROMISE WITH a ban on absolute power is the only civil way to maintain common law.
Now if you have a better government system that you'd think would work pony up with it, but dictatorships and anarchy are NOT options.
(May 15, 2013 at 6:18 pm)Praetorian Wrote: No. Knowledge will make you realize how powerless you really are. Example: Humanity in contrast to the universe.
Yes, but that does not mean we have to be fatalistic because the ride is finite. Nor does it mean because others on this planet can use money to create a fascist state or a class plutocracy does not mean we don't have any power at all.
If the history of progress of ours species teaches me anything, you may fail anyway, but you are sure to fail if you don't even try.
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