Refuting Evolution

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I already gave you a proof of god existence, as of Why, I also proved that it is impossible to know Why God do things.

So we should listen to you...because?

[Tartarus Sauce]

I already gave you a proof of god existence, as of Why, I also proved that it is impossible to know Why God do things.

So we should listen to you...because?

Because he thinks he knows Allah like the inside of his asshole.

And considering how much time he spends with his head up his ass, he probably knows what that looks like pretty well.

[little_monkey]

This thread has evolved from Refuting Evolution to Refuting Muslim Scholar.

[Muslim Scholar]

First of all, that is not an answer to my questions, particularly neither involve disease nor mortality. Secondly, even if my questions did involve disease and mortality, it is a typical religious cop out, a lazy answer, one that offers no evidence but expects us to simply trust in faith.

Yes, it is faith
If you want a proof it should go like this
Prove god existence
Prove that Allah is that God
Prove that Qur'an came from God
Follow Qur'an strictly
Every thing inside Qur'an you just take it as granted (no need to prove it specifically)

So you are saying that GOD(S) aren't GODS after all? So much for omnipotence.

According to the proof, just one non-created God can exist

First of all, the notion that Man was created in God's image does not originate from Christianity. It came out of Judaism, and likely earlier religious traditions of the region. Secondly, what is unique about your god, and why can nothing be similar. Also, what would that imply?

Yes you are correct
We have the same text in Islam as well
"God created Adam on his image"
But the Jews understood it wrong, His means Adams image
I.e. God created on his (Adam's) image as a full man directly without going into childhood

Secondly, if it impossible to know why your god does things, then how is it possible that people are always told of his will, and of things that are ascribed to god.

We can know "What" & "Why", only by getting his message through revelation
We cannot know "Why" by using logic, because his will is not like ours
We cannot know "HOW", even if God tells us because he is unique

it was the Muslims who claimed that Allah was punishing Man for all his sins.

Maybe, maybe not!

I agree completely that that was the case, but it doesn't make a good argument that the Muslims who made those statements are honest people.

God said in Qur'an that all people (even Muslims) are sinners and they deserve great punishments, only because of his mercy he is delaying that punishment and may forgive (some Muslims) as well.

[Zen Badger]

Interesting little factoid MS.
Humans have three colour cones in their eyes, plus rods for seeing in monochrome.
So we can see three colours and their various combinations.
Mantis shrimp on the other hand have 24 different cones in their eyes, allowing them to see 21 colours that we can't even visualise.
Why did your god see fit to give such marvellous colour vision to a crustacean instead of his presumably favoured creation, Man?

[Muslim Scholar]

Why did your god see fit to give such marvellous colour vision to a crustacean instead of his presumably favoured creation, Man?

I told you many times, that Why cannot be answered except by God himself.

God gave you what is needed for you

It is like a soldier in the army, he doesn't need to know about the strategic objectives of the leaders to fight or do his job.

[Dragonetti]

Then why bother with invention? Why not stop using clothing and fire? God gave you all you need? Right?

[popeyespappy]

Then why bother with invention? Why not stop using clothing and fire? God gave you all you need? Right?

Temptation

Few Muslim men can resist the urge to stick their dicks in anyone they see without cloths.

[orogenicman]

First of all, that is not an answer to my questions, particularly neither involve disease nor mortality. Secondly, even if my questions did involve disease and mortality, it is a typical religious cop out, a lazy answer, one that offers no evidence but expects us to simply trust in faith.

Yes, it is faith

Pardon me while I don't take things on blind faith.

If you want a proof it should go like this
Prove god existence
Prove that Allah is that God
Prove that Qur'an came from God
Follow Qur'an strictly
Every thing inside Qur'an you just take it as granted (no need to prove it specifically)

You clearly don't understand how 'burden of proof' works.

So you are saying that GOD(S) aren't GODS after all? So much for omnipotence.

According to the proof, just one non-created God can exist

Which doesn't actually answer my question, does it?

First of all, the notion that Man was created in God's image does not originate from Christianity. It came out of Judaism, and likely earlier religious traditions of the region. Secondly, what is unique about your god, and why can nothing be similar. Also, what would that imply?

Yes you are correct
We have the same text in Islam as well
"God created Adam on his image"
But the Jews understood it wrong, His means Adams image
I.e. God created on his (Adam's) image as a full man directly without going into childhood

So you are saying that the Jews don't understand the words they put down in their own holy books, but you, who got it third or fourth or even tenth hand, do? Excuse me while I giggle.

Secondly, if it impossible to know why your god does things, then how is it possible that people are always told of his will, and of things that are ascribed to god.

We can know "What" & "Why", only by getting his message through revelation

Moving the goalpost already?

We cannot know "Why" by using logic, because his will is not like ours
We cannot know "HOW", even if God tells us because he is unique

If your god is not like us in any way, what is he like? A demon? A goat? A can of milk? A hot fudge sunday?

I think you are making all of this crap up.

it was the Muslims who claimed that Allah was punishing Man for all his sins.

Maybe, maybe not!

There is no maybe about it. Muslims came onto MSM and made the statements. Repeatedly. No one else did.

I agree completely that that was the case, but it doesn't make a good argument that the Muslims who made those statements are honest people.

God said in Qur'an that all people (even Muslims) are sinners and they deserve great punishments, only because of his mercy he is delaying that punishment and may forgive (some Muslims) as well.

So, you are saying that your god is an unforgiving, sadistic tyrant, except to certain "special" muslims. Gee, the old testament god was a lot like that as well. So your claim that he is unique doesn't exactly seem all that convincing to me.

[Esquilax]

Yes, it is faith

Hey, finally the white flag comes out!

I told you many times, that Why cannot be answered except by God himself.

God gave you what is needed for you

It is like a soldier in the army, he doesn't need to know about the strategic objectives of the leaders to fight or do his job.

And then he proceeded to wreak havoc on his necessary design, right? I mean, that's why we've got a propensity for cancer, and spinal nerves that are all wrong, knees that aren't ideal, eyes with blind spots that perceive images upside down, vestigial teeth and organs, etc etc. God gave us what is needed for us, and then decided that what we really needed was to be just slightly wrong in a bunch of important ways.

Oh wait, you've just decided you don't need to answer questions.

Well, as long as you've admitted defeat, that's fine.