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June 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm
(June 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Savannahw Wrote: haha Your FUNNY!! I was giving you a reliable source dealing with gay animals. If you can't accept that, it is on you.
You really believe that is homosexual activity, that's ridiculous, male penguins set the eggs the same as females do, they are doing what instinct tells them, survival. No way anyone can determine homosexuality in animals, that is unless you talk to them. What next, when a dog jumps someones leg they're trying to cross breed intentionally, homosexual acts are purposed by the individuals, I find it very hard to believe animals purpose anything outside of instinct.
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June 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Wait, homosexuality requires intent now?
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June 9, 2013 at 4:47 pm
(June 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Savannahw Wrote: haha Your FUNNY!! I was giving you a reliable source dealing with gay animals. If you can't accept that, it is on you.
You really believe that is homosexual activity, that's ridiculous, male penguins set the eggs the same as females do, they are doing what instinct tells them, survival. No way anyone can determine homosexuality in animals, that is unless you talk to them. What next, when a dog jumps someones leg they're trying to cross breed intentionally, homosexual acts are purposed by the individuals, I find it very hard to believe animals purpose anything outside of instinct.
If it is my source you had a problem with then check out http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...nimal.html
I'm pretty sure that too same sex animals having sex means they are at least bi-curious. 
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June 9, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Sooooooo....I'm gonna shit on both sides here.
Anti-gay side: Homosexuality is unnatural, and therefore should not be allowed.
Pro-gay side: Homosexuality is natural being exhibited in other species, and therefore should be allowed.
It's a shitty debate started by the anti-gay side, and defended absolutely horribly by the pro-gay side. First off, is homosexuality unnatural? Yes. Lets face facts here, in the context of our human biology being gay is not natural. But the mistake that both sides have made here is that 'Natural' = 'Good'. Why does homosexuality have to be defended as natural? There are plenty of unnatural things we do in our every day life and we don't consider them as bad. With genetically modified foods my corn flakes sure as hell ain't natural. I smoke butts and those sure ain't natural. Last year I took a flight with some friends down to Florida, and may I ask, what is more unnatural than human flight? We are overall an unnatural species, myself included.
Moving on to the pro-gay side with their animal defense, that homosexuality is present in other animals and should therefore be considered natural. My dog licks his own asshole.....we shouldn't be looking towards animals for guidance on issues of morality. And further, animals fucking kill each other! Would it be natural for me to kill people because it's present in nature as well?
They are both just...very...shitty...arguments.
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June 9, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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(June 9, 2013 at 4:58 pm)plaincents822 Wrote: Sooooooo....I'm gonna shit on both sides here.
Anti-gay side: Homosexuality is unnatural, and therefore should not be allowed.
Pro-gay side: Homosexuality is natural being exhibited in other species, and therefore should be allowed.
It's a shitty debate started by the anti-gay side, and defended absolutely horribly by the pro-gay side. First off, is homosexuality unnatural? Yes. Lets face facts here, in the context of our human biology being gay is not natural. But the mistake that both sides have made here is that 'Natural' = 'Good'. Why does homosexuality have to be defended as natural? There are plenty of unnatural things we do in our every day life and we don't consider them as bad. With genetically modified foods my corn flakes sure as hell ain't natural. I smoke butts and those sure ain't natural. Last year I took a flight with some friends down to Florida, and may I ask, what is more unnatural than human flight? We are overall an unnatural species, myself included.
Moving on to the pro-gay side with their animal defense, that homosexuality is present in other animals and should therefore be considered natural. My dog licks his own asshole.....we shouldn't be looking towards animals for guidance on issues of morality. And further, animals fucking kill each other! Would it be natural for me to kill people because it's present in nature as well?
They are both just...very...shitty...arguments.
As far as I am aware, we aren't arguing the pros or cons of human sexuality. Godschild was denying the fact that gay animals exist. Granted Godschild might have gotten into that with someone else.
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June 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm
(June 9, 2013 at 4:58 pm)plaincents822 Wrote: Pro-gay side: Homosexuality is natural being exhibited in other species, and therefore should be allowed.
The "it's natural" argument is not being put forth as a justification for homosexuality being allowed. It is a counterpoint to the "it's unnatural, therefore it should not be allowed" argument.
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June 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm
(June 9, 2013 at 4:58 pm)plaincents822 Wrote: Why does homosexuality have to be defended as natural?
Because it is natural for homosexuals, the same way that heterosexuality is natural for heterosexuals.
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June 9, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Everything is natural and one does not judge on the basis of being unnatural!
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June 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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(June 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm)Savannahw Wrote: haha Your FUNNY!! I was giving you a reliable source dealing with gay animals. If you can't accept that, it is on you.
You really believe that is homosexual activity, that's ridiculous, male penguins set the eggs the same as females do, they are doing what instinct tells them, survival. No way anyone can determine homosexuality in animals, that is unless you talk to them. What next, when a dog jumps someones leg they're trying to cross breed intentionally, homosexual acts are purposed by the individuals, I find it very hard to believe animals purpose anything outside of instinct.
So let me get this straight.
I'm walking down a park and all of the sudden I come across two dudes laying in the grass. One of them is eagerly sucking the others dick. Do I:
A. Interrupt the fellatio and ask them whether, yes, they are indeed gay since I need verbal confirmation?
B. Walk away and put two and two together from what I have observed that they are at the very least bi-curious?
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RE: Classic
June 9, 2013 at 6:17 pm
(June 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: homosexual acts are purposed by the individuals, I find it very hard to believe animals purpose anything outside of instinct.
When did you choose to be heterosexual?
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