Russia embraces religious intolerance with draconian blasphemy and anti-gay laws

[Doubting Thomas]

Vladimir Putin is a Russian Orthodox, which is basically Christian Church.

God has moved into the Commies and Socialist! GASP!

I thought maybe Rick Santorum got elected over there.

[CleanShavenJesus]

Wait, I thought atheists believe morals are socially relative, so how is anything that Russia is doing here wrong? I am sorry, but you can’t have it both ways guys.

We do?

Is there an atheist holy book that says our universal beliefs that I didn't know about?

[Statler Waldorf]

That being said, I think morals are relative to a society but how does that free those morals from criticism?

You have no standard to measure their morals by, so you therefore cannot criticize or praise their morals. Their standard of morality is just as equally valid as yours (according to your espoused relativism). It makes no sense for you to be a relativist but then also criticize someone for adopting different morals than you did. According to you, it is now morally wrong to commit blasphemy in Russia.

No, you dickheads think when your god pulls a genocide that its fine because he's fucking god.

We do not.

Work it out, will you?

We are not talking about my beliefs; we are talking about yours. If you cannot defend your beliefs (as I suspected you would not be able to) then that is fine.

The problem with this is that the god from which your 'moral' code stems is indistinguishable from a human psychopath, so God's morals are not morals at all, by definition, as psychopaths are devoid of morals and can therefore not be the source of any.

*Copy….*Paste…We are not talking about my beliefs; we are talking about yours. If you cannot defend your beliefs (as I suspected you would not be able to) then that is fine.

The shit I learn at AF.org. Before now I didn't realize that one person's dictates, backed by a powerfully rich minority, constituted social relativism. Who knew?

Now we have new rules! So morals are only socially relative as long as the society is truly democratic? Where did this rule come from? So is what Russia is doing morally wrong or not?

Vladimir Putin is a Russian Orthodox, which is basically Christian Church.

No, Eastern Orthodoxy is only one of the three branches of Christianity.

Russia having nukes is more dangerous now then EVER

Can you name a theocracy that has used nuclear weapons against another country? I cannot.

[Psykhronic]

I do have a standard - it's called my own morals and reasoning. And no, I do not value moralities as equally valid - but they do seem to exist largely based upon society/culture.

[Statler Waldorf]

I do have a standard - it's called my own morals and reasoning.

That’s fine, but how are you justified in criticizing their standard? Are they not allowed to adopt their own standard of morality?

And no, I do not value moralities as equally valid - but they do seem to exist largely based upon society/culture.

Society A: Raping women is morally good
Society B: Raping women is morally wrong

According to social relativism, how are these to contradicting moral codes not equally valid?

[Psykhronic]

People justify their morality with reasons - I judge those reasons. They're allowed to do whatever they want do to. Does not mean I agree with it.

And WHY is raping women morally good in society A? (fyi - I have never seen a decent reason for rape to be a-okay.)

And there are different types of moral relativism.

[Doubting Thomas]

I guess you've never heard of secular humanism.

[Statler Waldorf]

People justify their morality with reasons - I judge those reasons. They're allowed to do whatever they want do to. Does not mean I agree with it.

Why do people have to justify their morality with reasons? Where does that rule come from?

And WHY is raping women morally good in society A? (fyi - I have never seen a decent reason for rape to be a-okay.)

I am sure rapists have a reason in their mind as to why they rape; but why do they need a reason anyways? I do not think that’s a necessity in social relativism.

[CleanShavenJesus]

People justify their morality with reasons - I judge those reasons. They're allowed to do whatever they want do to. Does not mean I agree with it.

Why do people have to justify their morality with reasons? Where does that rule come from?

There's a reason to everything. Even if the reason doesn't make sense.

[Statler Waldorf]

I guess you've never heard of secular humanism.

Sure I have, but why is it the correct definition of morality?

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There's a reason to everything. Even if the reason doesn't make sense.

Fair enough, well then I am sure Society A has a reason for making rape morally good. So is it now morally good to rape a woman in Society A?