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The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 10:48 pm
What are the (if any) flaws in the concept of hell?
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Personally I find the biggest flaw to be that it is eternal. Infinite punishment for finite sin.
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm
(June 14, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Savannahw Wrote: Personally I find the biggest flaw to be that it is eternal. Infinite punishment for finite sin.
Sin is not finite, if it is not forgiven by God sin is eternal, why, because sin is committed against the eternal God thus eternal sin and an eternal punishment.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 11:24 pm
(June 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 14, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Savannahw Wrote: Personally I find the biggest flaw to be that it is eternal. Infinite punishment for finite sin.
Sin is not finite, if it is not forgiven by God sin is eternal, why, because sin is committed against the eternal God thus eternal sin and an eternal punishment.
Why are you wanting to argue with everything I say today?
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 11:29 pm
The fact that an omnipotent being needs to create such a place just to defend some arbitrary superiority complex of his, for starters.
"It's not my fault, I'll just blame my creations and place the burden on them for eternity."
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm
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(June 14, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: What are the (if any) flaws in the concept of hell?
Hell is simply described as an eternal punishment for unforgiven sin against an eternal God. Hard to see where there could be flaws, unless one desires to imagine flaws because they do not like the concept. That's true with any idea, the ones who do not like the idea usually find flaws that do not exist, not to say that all ideas are flawless.
(June 14, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: The fact that an omnipotent being needs to create such a place just to defend some arbitrary superiority complex of his, for starters.
"It's not my fault, I'll just blame my creations and place the burden on them for eternity."
Hell was created for Satan and his followers before man sinned. If man had not sinned then hell would be of no consequence for him but, man has and will continue to, so hell is an actual reality for man. God created man without sin man chose to disregard his perfect state and fell into a sinful state.
(June 14, 2013 at 11:24 pm)Savannahw Wrote: (June 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sin is not finite, if it is not forgiven by God sin is eternal, why, because sin is committed against the eternal God thus eternal sin and an eternal punishment.
Why are you wanting to argue with everything I say today?
I'm not purposely singling you out it's just happening, sorry if it makes you uncomfortable. 
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 15, 2013 at 12:03 am
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(June 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 14, 2013 at 11:29 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: The fact that an omnipotent being needs to create such a place just to defend some arbitrary superiority complex of his, for starters.
"It's not my fault, I'll just blame my creations and place the burden on them for eternity."
Hell was created for Satan and his followers before man sinned. If man had not sinned then hell would be of no consequence for him but, man has and will continue to, so hell is an actual reality for man. God created man without sin man chose to disregard his perfect state and fell into a sinful state.
....and God, being the supposed omnipotent son of a bitch he is, passively allowed his creations to delve into sin. Oh wait, did I say passively allowed? He ENCOURAGED by placing the fucking tree smack dab in the middle of the garden and knew they were going to eat from it.
Responsibility still ends up falling back in his lap, since nothing occurs without God's permission.
And FYI, God created satan knowing what was going to happen there as well.
Seriously, the fucker causes his own problems and then makes his creations suffer the consequences.
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 15, 2013 at 12:16 am
Quote:Why are you wanting to argue with everything I say today?
It's nothing personal....he argues with every rational person. G-C is the consummate bible-thumper.
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 15, 2013 at 12:55 am
(June 15, 2013 at 12:03 am)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: (June 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Godschild Wrote: Hell was created for Satan and his followers before man sinned. If man had not sinned then hell would be of no consequence for him but, man has and will continue to, so hell is an actual reality for man. God created man without sin man chose to disregard his perfect state and fell into a sinful state.
....and God, being the supposed omnipotent son of a bitch he is, passively allowed his creations to delve into sin. Oh wait, did I say passively allowed? He ENCOURAGED by placing the fucking tree smack dab in the middle of the garden and knew they were going to eat from it.
Responsibility still ends up falling back in his lap, since nothing occurs without God's permission.
And FYI, God created satan knowing what was going to happen there as well.
Seriously, the fucker causes his own problems and then makes his creations suffer the consequences.
If you will read the Bible and study it as you read, you'll find that all this has to do with love, true love can only come from free choice, God chooses to love sinful man, who made himself sinful and God desires that man, sinful as he is, chooses to love Him. You're wrong about things happening without God's permission, fee choice is just that free of God's will. Now I do agree that much does not happen without God allowing it to, but not everything. God did not cause the problems, He did know He would have to deal with sin. Nothing is a problem for the omniscient God, not even having His Son death for our sin, love is everything to God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: The flaws of Hell
June 15, 2013 at 3:10 am
(June 15, 2013 at 12:55 am)Godschild Wrote: If you will read the Bible and study it as you read...
Yep, read it few times, and here is a summary:
Why do we have evil? Because God has a his lil' plan that no one can possibly understand. Why no one gets it? Because him and his mighty ways are ineffable. If he’s ineffable how do we know so much about him? Because he reveals himself through the bible. How do we know that bible is true? Because it says so in it that bible IS the word of God. How do we really know it's the word of God? Because in it God says he is revealing himself to us… Circular logic and bunch of stupid word games.
The thing is, our imagination is amazing. It produces fiction...
Using our mind alone, we cannot distinguish between fictions. Plain and simple 
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