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How did life start? No creationists please
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RE: How did life start? No creationists please
(June 18, 2013 at 4:06 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(June 18, 2013 at 3:36 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Who created them>who created them>who created them... endless cycle. It ends whit big bang. But where matter came from and Who driggered explosion? How from this explosion whit unimaginable heat and presure fragile biological body and consciousness and subconsciousness whit its infinite depth of thoughts and desires came to life?

If the idea is that we look at a complex object and recognize design, then compare the two: a bunch of rocks and a stick of dynamite, or the most complex being that has ever existed by orders of magnitude. You think the latter is more likely to not have a designer?
Source can't be denied of somethings its copies have. Consciousness must have Super Consciousness as its source not dead matter, selfassembled chemicals break the rule of cause and effect.
Thought its being said in saint Scriptures that God is the cause of himself and only being that breaks rule of cause and effect which is uncomprehendable.
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#32
RE: How did life start? No creationists please
(June 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Source can't be denied of somethings its copies have. Consciousness must have Super Consciousness as its source not dead matter, selfassembled chemicals break the rule of cause and effect.
But now you're back to the infinite regression. You're claiming that something as complex as Item A must have a designer, because it cannot have come about on its own... unless it's Item A1, which is so much more complex than Item A that we cannot even begin to comprehend it, yet did not require a designer. That isn't logical. It requires a special exemption based on your need for there to be an exemption.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#33
RE: How did life start? No creationists please
(June 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Source can't be denied of somethings its copies have. Consciousness must have Super Consciousness as its source not dead matter, selfassembled chemicals break the rule of cause and effect.

Bullshit. Evolution is all about copies acquiring things the source never had. You have no clue what the basis or mechanisms of consciousness are, or what properties consciousness can have.
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#34
RE: How did life start? No creationists please
It started somehow like this






Just for fun!



This are cut of but they are still amazing


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Sometimes I Pretend To Be Normal,But It Gets Boring. So I go Back to Being Me.
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RE: How did life start? No creationists please
(June 16, 2013 at 11:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: Lately it seems that there have been breakthroughs along this line of investigation.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/201...144326.htm

Quote:Lawrence Livermore scientist Nir Goldman and University of Ontario Institute of Technology colleague Isaac Tamblyn (a former LLNL postdoc) found that icy comets that crashed into Earth millions of years ago could have produced life building organic compounds, including the building blocks of proteins and nucleobases pairs of DNA and RNA.

Comets contain a variety of simple molecules, such as water, ammonia, methanol and carbon dioxide, and an impact event with a planetary surface would provide an abundant supply of energy to drive chemical reactions.

Again, the amount of energy released in an impact is mind-blowing.

Of course this all drives the creatards up a wall but then, what doesn't?

It can also explain the appalling difference in depth between the ocean and the surface. In different words why the earth's surface is shaped the way it it. I was wondering if comets had much involvement in tectonic plate movement but I am not an expert in astrophysics and space science.

But I adore vacuums.

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As for where We came from, I prefer to agree with uncertain cell growth independent from aliens unless, even at billions of years ago, aliens may have cultered some cells on earth... but it sounds too destined, too complex for something so far into the past.
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