The wrong perception of Islam as anti capitalist liberation theology by radical left

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Does anyone else here know George Galloway?
He is the most disgusting political figure n Britain and probably amongst the most disgusting in Europe. A scotish representative in the British parlaimant, he was expelled from there for having been reveiled to have done buisness with Sadam Hussain. After the overthrow of Saddam he started working for the Iranian propagandachannel "PressTV" and has since then been the Iranian mouthpiece for propaganda in the west. He supports a fascist right wing islamic state whilest claiming to be a leftist. He claims that the sadest day of his life was when the soviet union collapses, yet gave speeches on Hisbollah TV in which he said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djitrrXD2xc

He also likes using conspiracy theories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2aCsRg9094

and an obvious hypocrit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78esC18IvA0

Both radical islam and the radical left have completly opposing views on most issues, the political conection between the two is the result of the cold war. Back then the Ussr and several radical leftist organisations aligned themselves and supported various islamist element throughout the middle east. The reason for that was a simple one - those groups fought against western principles, countries and organisations. These actions created the myth of Islam as a liberation theology to fight capitalism.
In the west, various countries supported some of the most brutal right wing regimes in the world, such as in Chile, Argentina, Brazil or Greeze. But unlike the radical left - democratic movements never created a false theory of fascism and right wing military huntas as a "liberation process which leads to democracy" and most of those regimes supported by the west became later targets by them for their undemocratic ways.
Yet the radical left still continues to often support radical islam as an anticapitalist movement.
Recently a leftist german politician was seen with some of the vilest antisemites at a pro palestinian rally and only today, I read this post by the formus resident prophet of godwin:

let's just kill everyone who isn't communist, anyone who is muslim christian or whatever should be killed

How come this false perception of Islam is still present within the radical left? Are they to dumb to accept the end of the cold war? Or to irrational to see the savage truth?

[Minimalist]

A scotish representative in the British parlaimant, he was expelled from there for having been reveiled to have done buisness with Sadam Hussain.

So did Ronald Fucking Reagan.

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So did Ronald Fucking Reagan.

But Ronald senile Reagan didn`t continue doing buisness with him after he was internationaly boycotted and deemed as a dangerous murderous maniac.

Galloway did buisness with him when he became anti - western.

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And to say:

"but they did it aswell"

is a childish excuse, which doesnt make the action any better.

[Minimalist]

No...Reagan made him what he was!

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/06/17/h...l-weapons/

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of US military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq’s 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan’s Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime’s repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq’s Kurdish minority, but the US helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs.

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Why are you trying to change the debate from the dirty releations of the radical left to discussing the dirty releations of the democratic west.

I am not a friend of either and if you want I will open a thread on that subject.

[Rev. Rye]

How come this false perception of Islam is still present within the radical left? Are they to dumb to accept the end of the cold war? Or to irrational to see the savage truth?

I can't find the exact quote, but I've Eric Hoffer say that it's more common for radical leftists and radical right-wingers to switch between each other than for either to actually mellow out. I think this is what's happened with George Galloway.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Good ol' George.

Re-made his political career by grandstanding to Islamists in East London & Yorkshire on the evils of the west and saying that everything that the Iranain government is doing is a-ok.

And his party is called 'respect'. LOL. He always appears on British TV saying how awful everything the west does is, and portrays the Middle East a shining light of freedom (or at least it would be, if only Britain and the rest would stop poking their nose in).

People external or not privvy to British politics need to realise that socialism as an electable political ideology disappeared in 1979 with the advent of neo-liberalism under Thatcher, and the creation of the 'loony left' in Labour politics throughout the 1980s. This was also in conjunction with the demolishing of extreme elements within the trade unions .

Right or wrongly, no socialist movement has existed in Britain since then save for the possible exception of the nationalists in Wales and Scotland (Plaid Cymru & the SNP), and it's debateable certainly whether they're even socialist at all.

As such, the rise of underground extremist parties (on both sides) has increased dramatically since the major political parties began moving to the centre, which was aided with the general political zeitgeist of the British people following/inspiring this trend. Unfortunately this is why see parties like the BNP, and movements like 'respect' and the EDL begin to gain momentum. This is furthered by the unwillingness to the central political parties to both engage with why these movements exist at all, and further, with them refusing to accept that there's even a problem at all.

George continues to grandstand on issues he knows will gain support/get people's backs up because he's one of the only people that does it. People dismiss him, and they dismiss everything he supposedly stands for (I've always been of the opinion that he's in it for himself) without actually examining why his political support in the areas he campaigns in is so high. A white rough looking scottish guy getting elected in an Muslim majoirty West Yorkshire ex-mining town? You'd think that alone would be cause for the Labour party (the previous owners of the constituency) to start looking hard at themselves. But, they didn't. They just carried on dismissing him as a loon (which he is, but it requires much more analysis than that).

But largely Germans, I think you're right. If we take it as given that he's in it for himself, he's twisted the primordial notion of Islam vs the west to further his own agenda is bashind the west's operations that he seems to hate so much. He's taken the opportunity to grandstand to those who know he'll get votes from on that issue because he knows a lot of Muslims in places like Bradford feel disenfranchised by the normal national political process.

[TaraJo]

Isn't it ironic how the radical left has more in common with the radical right than they do the moderate left?

[Dragonetti]

Isn't it ironic how the radical left has more in common with the radical right than they do the moderate left?

That is because the ultimate goal is to control the masses.

So, same goal equals similar techniques.

[TaraJo]

Isn't it ironic how the radical left has more in common with the radical right than they do the moderate left?

That is because the ultimate goal is to control the masses.

So, same goal equals similar techniques.

Well, I think there might be a little more than that, about the circular nature of politics. For example, the left generally supports government regulation of private business with extreme branches supporting communism or socialism. The right generally supports releaving businesses from the burden of government regulation with the extreme branches believing that the free market will totally regulate itself with no interference needed from the government. Thing is, if private industry is freed from governmet regulation, they use their freedom to influence government (aka lobbying) and the more freedom they get, the more influence they get over the government. Eventually, either extreme branch turns private industry and government into the same entity, even though they both claim to hate each other.