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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 2:41 pm
From the Hopi creation myth.
Quote:The world at first was endless space in which existed only the Creator, Taiowa. This world had no time, no shape, and no life, except in the mind of the Creator. Eventually the infinite creator created the finite in Sotuknang, whom he called his nephew and whom he created as his agent to establish nine universes. Sotuknang gathered together matter from the endless space to make the nine solid worlds. Then the Creator instructed him to gather together the waters from the endless space and place them on these worlds to make land and sea. When Sotuknang had done that, the Creator instructed him to gather together air to make winds and breezes on these worlds.
The fourth act of creation with which the Creator charged Sotuknang was the creation of life. Sotuknang went to the world that was to first host life and there he created Spider Woman, and he gave her the power to create life. First Spider Woman took some earth and mixed it with saliva to make two beings. Over them she sang the Creation Song, and they came to life. She instructed one of them, Poqanghoya, to go across the earth and solidify it. She instructed the other, Palongawhoya, to send out sound to resonate through the earth, so that the earth vibrated with the energy of the Creator. Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya were despatched to the poles of the earth to keep it rotating.
Really. Is it any stupider than G-C's jewish shit?
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 4:21 am)Michael Schubert Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 3:39 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Objective reality is part of God. And?
So I'm trying to comprehend your logic, please correct me if I'm wrong. If objective reality is part of God, then God is not an individual with arms, hands, and human features?
To be more incisive, what precisely is God? Is he/she/it a philosophy? Is God a representative of universal truth? Fill me in on this, please.
In Xtian theology, If God is the creator/first cause, then everything that proceeded from him contains him. God is three persons, one of which took human form.
God is the creator and maintainer of all things. God is love. Observations of God are truths. Philosophy provides methods to discern truth.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 2:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: God says He is spirit, meaning He has no physical features like we do, God is a real being, not a philosophy.
Be careful with that kind of heresy. Does not Genesis state that God made man in his own image?
Yes, so? Was there a point in there?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In Xtian theology, If God is the creator/first cause, then everything that proceeded from him contains him.
And if not, what then?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 3:52 pm
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(July 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Be careful with that kind of heresy. Does not Genesis state that God made man in his own image?
Yes, so? Was there a point in there?
Yes, and it flew right by you again. Stop leaning over to smell your own farts, and you might actually get a moment to understand what someone is saying to you.
(July 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Philosophy provides methods to discern truth.
I prefer the scientific method over opinion. Philosophy has its place, but it is not in fact-finding nor seeking truth. Facts and truth need to be demonstrable.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 4:53 pm
@Stimbo
Then not
@BWS
Without philosophy you couldn't start making scientific deductions. You must have an intellectual basis to your assertions,.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 5:01 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 4:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @BWS
Without philosophy you couldn't start making scientific deductions. You must have an intellectual basis to your assertions,.
Then please don't jump straight from Philosophy to fact finding. Science has to bridge that gap.
But you're right when you put it that way, however generalized as it is.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Science is great, and I'm in awe. Religion /faith /philosophy is another subject 
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Be careful with that kind of heresy. Does not Genesis state that God made man in his own image?
Yes, so? Was there a point in there?
Apparently it went way over your head. You claim that God has no physical features, but the bible clearly states that man was made in God's image. Now you're trying to act like that's not a contradiction, and I expect you will now come up with some lame argument as to why it's not.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Bibles Vs. Direct Observation
July 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm
(July 10, 2013 at 3:52 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: (July 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes, so? Was there a point in there?
Yes, and it flew right by you again. Stop leaning over to smell your own farts, and you might actually get a moment to understand what someone is saying to you.
Nothing flew by me, this has been explained many times on here, yet no one will remember what was said. You all do this so you do not have to go look up something else to argue about. As long as you can keep the same old trash going around you will not have to see the truth. Now talk about people who use circular reasoning, around and around you go with the same old tired arguments, you're lazy and afraid of truth.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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